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explode the bazaars are your e-ticket

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ride into the world of the paranormal

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strap yourself in as we traverse the

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universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

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ghosts Lost Worlds cryptozoology waters

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as well as other dimensions it's time to

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take back the night last night now your

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electrifying hosts of exploring the

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Wow Tim the phones are really lighting

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up we're getting all these calls about a

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giant triangular cigar-shaped craft

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flying over the freeway just outside of

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Pasadena the teletype machines are going

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crazy - they certainly are and and I'm

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trying to get the people in the

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background to kind of keep it down I'm

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trying to take notes one lady said she

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felt her car vibrate is if they were

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trying to suck it up into the crash that

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people are starting to panic never heard

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that before

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well hopefully the police are on the way

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we're going to need a lot more than the

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police I'm afraid that we're going to

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need to bring it bring in an expert like

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Peter Davenport of the national UFO

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Reporting Center to save the day all

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right hey Peter will do that Tim how are

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you out there in Jasper I'm doing

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fantastic - are you being are you being

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sucked up by Lydia that a giant craft in

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the sky not yet not yet but a day

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something it's now what is it's the 5th

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of October and so it's the month of

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Halloween which you know for people like

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me this is our Christmas so except we we

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celebrate it through the entire month of

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October so I've a you know you've got

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ghosts and zombies and UFO creatures so

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anything goes you know I wonder if I if

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a real et type or a Bigfoot or dog man

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showed up if you're at your door what a

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clever disguise that could be that would

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be this time of year and they could get

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away with just about anything I wonder

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if they like sweets who doesn't who

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doesn't Tim well Tim why don't you tell

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everybody who we're going to have in our

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exploring the bizarre living room this

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evening Oh it'd be my pleasure well

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starting out in the first segment of our

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program we have Peter Davenport now

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Peter is the director of the national

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UFO Reporting Center and

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he's been in that capacity since 1994

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now Peter was born in st. Louis where he

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lived to the age of he where he lived at

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the age of 14 I'm sorry to hear that

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Peter well fortunately he he continued

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past the age of 14 so and now Peters had

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an active interest in the UFO phenomena

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since he was a kid and said he

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experienced his first UFO sighting over

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the yes st. Louis being its will airport

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in the summer of 1954 now in addition to

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being the director of the national UFO

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Reporting Center Peter is currently a

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member of MUFON and is a former co state

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section director King County and former

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director investigations for the

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Washington State Chapter of MUFON and

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then later on the program will have on

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grant Cameron grants been a member or a

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member I oversee that grants been a

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guest on our show before so it's

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fantastic to have both of you here with

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us tonight gentlemen on exploring the

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bizarre this is our but what we like

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UFOs I mean nobody can doubt that we

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like all the other paranormal subjects

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that we we delve into but UFOs are

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something we just can't get away from

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and speaking of can't getting away from

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you know Peter you've been head of the

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other group there for was in 1994 but my

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involvement with the national UFO

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Reporting Center goes back to I thank

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you it's earliest the roots when Robert

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running the organization and somewhere

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here within five feet I have the

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earliest publications that he put out I

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believe they were printed on kind of a

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strange cream or yellow

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newsprint type of paper but it even in

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those days you know before the Internet

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of course and 800 phone numbers it was

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just loaded in jam-packed with

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information if you wanted a valid source

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to go to your organization has always

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been the one that I recommend because it

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doesn't seem to have any axe to a grind

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it has no particular point of view it's

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just a collection agency now Peter how

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did you first hear about the group I

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mean how how did you why did you decide

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to take over and how was it kind of

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offered to you yeah well I can answer

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that that's the shortest part of my

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presentation tonight it's two words long

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and sheer misfortune is my response I

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had met Bob Gribble hold him to this day

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and very high regard he was the founder

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of the national UFO Reporting Center

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back as you say in October of 1974 so

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this is this month represents our 43rd

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birthday right and one i'm knew him

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through MUFON he was an active member of

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MUFON and used to write articles he he

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had a column in the MUFON journal called

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looking back in which he would present

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cases that he had collected he had

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encountered over prior years just to

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apprise people of what had gone on in

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years and decades past but one night in

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July of 1994 I was talking to a friend

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who was also a member of MUFON and he

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said by the way Peter did you hear that

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Bob Gribble was considering shutting

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down the hotline and I said no I didn't

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and I made a call my next call within

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minutes was to Bob offering to help him

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to lighten his load that would allow him

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to keep the hotline open and before I

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knew it he said Peter it's yours he

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implying that he

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was giving me the hotline and that's not

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really the reason I called but I

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accepted it and it has changed my life

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dramatically from the information I've

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collected and seen over the last 23 24

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well how many how many reports have you

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any way of estimating since the the

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center got started have been collected

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or filed or archived well I don't know

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how many Bob collected he turned his

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archives over to Wendy Connors in

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Albuquerque New Mexico but I was just

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looking at our database we have about a

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hundred and twenty three thousand

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reports in our database collected since

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1995 uh-huh so quite a few one of the

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bigger databases in the field of ufology

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well I would I would think so yeah yeah

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you got it you got to be right up there

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on top in fact you may be well ahead of

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anybody else it is probably the most

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organized you know one system I know I

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have something like 30 or 40 file

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cabinets full of like reports especially

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from the early days you know when people

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would take pen to paper and in sending

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the information but nothing is a file

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where you can ever had you know say I

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know where some of the stuff is but yeah

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there's a good question and what do we

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so long do with our files and with all

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the material we've collected that's a

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major problem well miles miles from the

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the group down there in Austin Texas has

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a library and that has Bob Gerard's

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material you know from other individuals

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and he's offered to take mine but and it

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would be available to the public but

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it's you know I I rarely give mine to a

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you know like the New York Public

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Charles forts papers which are not

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really papers yeah well you know it's

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not really Charles four it's papers as I

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understand that his notes were all on

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unreadable 3x5 file cards oh boy so he

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used to file them in cubby holes up on a

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high wall he had in his apartment well I

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think Skylar who was visited the

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collection I don't know anybody else who

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actually has I've been to where he's

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buried in orbit II but I've never been

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to his file a collection says that's

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exactly the way they are and they're

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very difficult to read I guess they were

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written in pencil a lot of them so there

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there you go but well how would you say

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that okay so you have all these a

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hundred and something a thousand reports

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have you seen any change in the patterns

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there are there any patterns in the

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sightings at all there have been changes

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indeed in fact one of the major changes

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I think I've witnessed over the last

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twenty three years is the advent of

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reports of clusters of red orange and

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yellow fireballs and this has been going

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on for a long time but towards late May

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of 2012 the phenomenon increased

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dramatically and over the last well that

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2012 rather that's been about five years

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of accumulation over that time I

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estimate that I have received somewhere

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between 20,000 and 30,000 such reports

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no not all of them are posted to our

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website because many people just call in

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and tell me about their sighting but

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despite my pleas to submit a written

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report they do not follow up I guess

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it's too much work for them well don't

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you have 8 8 or 10 hours a day to

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transcribe all of that well I'm working

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two shifts are they working or

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call two shifts a day seven days a week

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it's going to be difficult for me to

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find more free time to do this extra

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work but well there are two reports of

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this type that I always cite just

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because the sources are of such

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seemingly unimpeachably integrity the

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first one is from the 5th of July 2013

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Athens Texas we received a report from a

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former US astronaut who was standing

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outside with his wife on that 5th of

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July and he was facing west she was

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facing the east and she said honey look

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at this he wheeled around just in time

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to see I believe it was two red lights

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streaking across his head above their

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position from east to west all told I

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think they saw six or eight of them I

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talked to that gentleman on several

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occasions on one occasion he said Peter

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he said I don't know what those red

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objects were but he said I can guarantee

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you based on their flight performance

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they were not something that was

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manufactured on our planet that's a

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pretty tall statement for a former

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astronaut to say the other what would we

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know who this astronaut was if you

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mentioned I think I can name name him

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his name is Byron Lichtenberg he has a

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website he lives in Athens Texas that's

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about 70 miles southeast of Dallas and

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he has gone public with his with his

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report but is a very good report I asked

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him whether he still had top flight

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vision and he said oh yes he started out

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life as a fighter pilot then he became

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an airline pilot and then he applied for

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the astronaut corps he had two flights

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aboard the space shuttle so he's a very

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capable guy and I would hazard to guess

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that a extremely reliable person as an

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eyewitness very very interesting report

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second sighting report I usually sight

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in with respect or with reference to

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these clusters of fireballs occurred on

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the evening of the 28th of September

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2013 and in this case the witness was a

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retired Arizona Highway Patrol officer

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who was standing in his house in

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Glendale Arizona on the northwest corner

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of Phoenix he was looking into the

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northern sky through a plate-glass

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window and to his amazement he saw an

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orange fireball or orb streak from his

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left-to-right west to east outside his

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house he raced outside hoping to see the

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object isn't receded to the east he did

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not but he started seeing more similar

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type fireballs he estimates in his

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report that he saw approximately a

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hundred and fifty more go streaking by

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his house and how big were they well I

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don't know but big enough to capture his

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attention of course the apparent size of

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an object depends on its distance from

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him so it's it would have been difficult

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even for the witness to determine the

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actual size and how fast how fast did

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they go by he estimates that they were

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doing hundreds of miles and hours they

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went towards the eastern sky but that's

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very difficult to document given that if

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you don't know how far an object is from

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you obviously you cannot calculate its

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velocity I would have a hard time doing

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any of that velocity or or size if

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you're up against the you know an empty

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sky yeah when I was trying to estimate

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the angular velocity that is how much of

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the sky it covers measured in angles and

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degrees in a given amount of time well

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you know even if we do though I don't

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know what it tells us we've got all

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these well Peter we have all these

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reports so you have all these reports

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what what do they tell you other

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that people are seeing UFOs that have

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been confronting this phenomena for

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decades and if not longer throughout

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history it tells me based on the

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information available to me which of now

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of course is prodigious it tells me that

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we're being visited on a routine basis

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by these things we call UFOs what their

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mission is what their purpose is I have

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no idea but it's undeniable from my

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vantage point that this phenomenon is

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very real and it takes place virtually

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every day Tim you had a couple of

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questions there well yeah I was first of

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all I was curious on how you how you're

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storing these reports I mean are you are

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you storing them you know or on a

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computer you know like Charles Ford on

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you know uh cards is stuck away in a

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cubby hole you know just you know how

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are you keeping these down well they're

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in a database mm-hmm and that's the only

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way to handle this volume of material if

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it were on paper I would be going mad

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what I typically do and this is

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something that our listeners might note

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is when they call the hotline when a

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witness calls the hotline what I

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typically do is take a very short oral

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report over the telephone okay give us

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the hotline number now - so people can

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get it down a couple of times it's been

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the same number for 43 years it's area

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code two zero six seven two to three

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thousand two zero six seven two to three

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thousand we've had that same number for

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43 years now and what we do is attempt

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to encourage the caller to not tell us

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all about their sighting but rather to

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write it down which is one of the

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hardest jobs I've ever had in my life

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most people want to take 15-20 minutes

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of your day tops two hours to tell you

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everything they they can think of about

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their sighting on

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fortunately the point I make to

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everybody is unfortunately all that time

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is wasted because if the information is

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being shared orally over the telephone

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it's not being recorded and what I try

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to get people to do is write it down all

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the details of their sighting where they

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were time and date what direction they

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were looking the angle of elevation how

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big the object or objects look to be

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relative to the size of a star a planet

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or a full moon from for example try to

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get them to record all that information

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and then compress it into a formal

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statement and submit that statement

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using our online report form on our

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website well have you have you tried and

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you know of course I'm no I'm no

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computer genius so I would even know how

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to how to go about this but you know

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have you tried ever running this

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information to to look for patterns of

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various kinds you know like Glen I'm

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sorry that's a good question and many

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people have approached us about doing

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that I've allowed a few people to do it

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and in my opinion it is a classic case

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of garbage in garbage out because if you

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look closely at our database of cases on

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our website you will see that many of

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them are labeled by me as a probable

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hoax or a case of mistaken identity

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and people all the time are seeing the

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international space station for example

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go over and they think it's a UFO it

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might might work during a very specific

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let's say flap or something but when you

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start spraying when you start spreading

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it out then like you say I mean it just

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it how do you tell what are you a real

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UFO is I mean that that's the and how do

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we know that your UFO is the same as my

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UFO and we know that you know Tim forces

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you have on Tina's UFO are totally

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different in mind

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yeah one of the difficulties of ufology

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and one of the benefits of having

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somebody with experience run a hot line

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because

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for example it's relatively easy now

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that I have experienced to detect a

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missile launch out of Cape Canaveral or

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Vandenberg Air Force Base or Wallops

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Island because we've handled launches

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like that or launches from US Navy

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submarines and it's not too difficult to

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detect in a person's voice whether that

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person is sincere or not for the last

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month or so we've been getting many many

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prank calls frivolous calls about 2,500

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over the last five weeks and what I you

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develop a sixth sense for whether a

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person is telling you the truth or not

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hey any any reports from during the day

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of the Eclipse not that I recall

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although you could yeah I was hoping

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that there'd be a big flap or something

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you know Holly and Holly in Hopkinsville

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Kentucky and Eclipse after all is only a

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big shadow and it's no more likely in my

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opinion to see any a UFO during a solar

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eclipse than at any other time well I

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was going to remedy that big that big

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flap down in Mexico many many years ago

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where they yeah we're saying that UFOs

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were big seen join Eclipse July of 91 I

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think it was 1991

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that's when history did not repeat

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itself

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nope not according to our data anyway so

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in any event I'd like to encourage any

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of our listeners who at any time in

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their lives many people call and want to

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know if we are interested in past

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sighting reports we are indeed very

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interested in them and I'd encourage any

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of our listeners who have had UFO

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sightings to write down the details of

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their sighting and be sure to record it

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in written form we would be most

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grateful if they submit it to our site

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UFO center.com where again we have a

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blank online report form just waiting

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for their well Peter it is not going to

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be long

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before you we invite you back on because

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there's a lot more to to cover with you

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but I did want to get down the history

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of the the Center for our listeners and

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we can expand upon it from there and

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they if you have reports people call it

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into the center write it out write it

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and remember write it down and Peter we

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will talk to you soon

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and thank you once again thank you very

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much for the invitation gentlemen have a

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good evening now back to exploring the

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bizarre with two of the most

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electrifying researchers in the Paranoid

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your hosts timothy beckoning and taylor

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swift's man welcome back to exploring

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the bizarre i'm tim schwartz in the

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previous half-hour we were talking to

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Peter Davenport of the UFO Reporting

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Center but now we have with us on the

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line grant Cameron grant thank you very

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much for being with us I wanted to

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mention that grants most recent books

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include managing magic the government's

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UFO disclosure plan and Charlie red star

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two reports of one of North America's

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biggest UFO sightings and I have to say

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grant that I have thoroughly enjoyed

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reading both of these books I've just

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especially managing magic I've learned a

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lot from this book and I just I I really

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have to applaud you for the research

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that you obviously had to go through to

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put this book together well thank you

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sir I I really don't have a life I just

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sort of been my life for 40 years I

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guess it's just sort of like I keep

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getting dragged down rabbit one rabbit

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hole after another and as I've you know

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I keep telling people I got to get out

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of the UFO field and yeah you've been in

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it probably as long as I have and you

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know there's always this joke like

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someone quits and they go don't worry

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he'll be back you just can't you can't

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leave it and so you know I had the the I

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had done all the work on the Clintons

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and I was I was getting out then I'd

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then to work on the Clintons and

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suddenly she's running for president she

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talks about disclosures so that I said

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oh I got to do a Clinton book so I did

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the Clinton book and figure

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no I'm out and then Tom DeLonge came

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you're referring to the managing magic

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that's how that book Rose was that

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suddenly Tom DeLonge came forward and

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said he had these ten sources and inside

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high-level sources inside the government

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one of them was Hillary Clinton's

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campaign manager John Podesta and I saw

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this and I go well man I've seen this

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lots of times in history this they're

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doing it over again they're gonna do the

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same thing they've run the same circus

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they did before

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and so then I decided okay I'm gonna at

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least put out what I've seen over my

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career of them dropping this into the

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UFO community dropping that in the UFO

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community and I wanted to sort of

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balance his evil alien thing because I'm

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one of the sort of the way off on the

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lemon saying there are no evil aliens

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there's no evil anything and so I wanted

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to sort of balance cuz he's basically

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saying that we should you know take

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nuclear weapons and take out the greys

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and stuff like probably like I'm just

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like wow people people gotta know what

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this what this guy's proposing because

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he's very powerful guy he's this very

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famous musician and so then I got

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dragged into that and the the whole CIA

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thing the some of the people he was

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dealing with and I suddenly realized

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there was all these groups that are sort

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of running around now that are dropping

541
00:27:07,090 --> 00:27:04,929
stuff and one of them is Tom DeLonge

542
00:27:10,060 --> 00:27:07,100
sort of guy who's running his operation

543
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:10,070
as a guy a briefer from the CIA for that

544
00:27:13,810 --> 00:27:11,450
for the president United States name is

545
00:27:15,909 --> 00:27:13,820
Jim semi van so I'm chasing him and I'm

546
00:27:19,090 --> 00:27:15,919
chasing Ron Pandolfi who actually you

547
00:27:21,269 --> 00:27:19,100
had Peter on the first half-hour Ron

548
00:27:24,549 --> 00:27:21,279
Pandolfi says Peter's the guy to go to

549
00:27:26,169 --> 00:27:24,559
and he's the the guy this so rumored to

550
00:27:28,750 --> 00:27:26,179
be the guy that's briefed the last six

551
00:27:30,669 --> 00:27:28,760
presidents on UFOs it runs the CIA weird

552
00:27:32,110 --> 00:27:30,679
desk and stuff and he basically said you

553
00:27:34,120 --> 00:27:32,120
don't go to me fine to go to Peter Davin

554
00:27:35,649 --> 00:27:34,130
board he's basically got the material if

555
00:27:38,799 --> 00:27:35,659
you if you actually want to look at the

556
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:38,809
material so all right well see they yes

557
00:27:45,730 --> 00:27:41,450
so that's the thing is I and then I

558
00:27:47,500 --> 00:27:45,740
figured you know I'm out and then this

559
00:27:48,940 --> 00:27:47,510
bizarre thing starts happening with the

560
00:27:52,210 --> 00:27:48,950
Charlie Red Star book which is the one

561
00:27:52,870 --> 00:27:52,220
that I just basically had published but

562
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:52,880
I actually wrote

563
00:27:58,870 --> 00:27:55,850
back in the 1970s and it goes back to

564
00:28:01,060 --> 00:27:58,880
how I got the ERISA the original getting

565
00:28:04,390 --> 00:28:01,070
drive direct the rabbit hole was the

566
00:28:05,950 --> 00:28:04,400
sightings I had in 1975 where I really

567
00:28:07,300 --> 00:28:05,960
didn't want to have any sightings there

568
00:28:10,380 --> 00:28:07,310
wasn't really interest in the subject

569
00:28:13,270 --> 00:28:10,390
and we just went out to this small town

570
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:13,280
maybe 25 miles north of the border from

571
00:28:18,430 --> 00:28:15,530
North Dakota up and above North Dakota

572
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:18,440
and this thing I saw this thing the

573
00:28:21,970 --> 00:28:19,730
first night flew right in from the car

574
00:28:23,770 --> 00:28:21,980
two nights later flew right at me and

575
00:28:25,870 --> 00:28:23,780
this was not lights and this guy this is

576
00:28:29,620 --> 00:28:25,880
like a actual object was in fairly close

577
00:28:32,860 --> 00:28:29,630
and sort of you know set me off on this

578
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:32,870
path of trying to figure out what was it

579
00:28:36,970 --> 00:28:34,970
that I that I saw in 1975 I figured

580
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:36,980
somebody had to have the answer to it

581
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:41,650
and so that book was never published and

582
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:45,650
almost by design the the last publisher

583
00:28:50,020 --> 00:28:47,570
that I took it to was a local publisher

584
00:28:53,260 --> 00:28:50,030
here in Winnipeg where I live and it's a

585
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:53,270
big city and she basically said to me Mr

586
00:28:58,290 --> 00:28:55,130
Cameron you may believe in this kind of

587
00:29:03,700 --> 00:28:58,300
stuff count me among the unbelievers

588
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:03,710
forget that that just shows the limited

589
00:29:08,170 --> 00:29:07,010
mindedness of a publisher because you

590
00:29:10,300 --> 00:29:08,180
know you don't necessarily have to

591
00:29:13,870 --> 00:29:10,310
believe in something to publish a book I

592
00:29:16,660 --> 00:29:13,880
mean yeah I look at me I mean I got 279

593
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:16,670
titles we he we published we published a

594
00:29:19,540 --> 00:29:18,050
little bit of everything we published

595
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:19,550
for entertainment we published for

596
00:29:22,900 --> 00:29:21,530
information and we published because

597
00:29:25,030 --> 00:29:22,910
other people might like something that

598
00:29:27,190 --> 00:29:25,040
I'm Nessen not necessarily I plugged

599
00:29:28,870 --> 00:29:27,200
into yeah yeah and it was a big story

600
00:29:30,100 --> 00:29:28,880
back when when this was happening I mean

601
00:29:31,540 --> 00:29:30,110
it was not like nobody knew what was

602
00:29:34,180 --> 00:29:31,550
going on here everybody knew about this

603
00:29:38,890 --> 00:29:34,190
town that had been sort of infested with

604
00:29:40,390 --> 00:29:38,900
these UFOs for over a year and so that I

605
00:29:41,860 --> 00:29:40,400
sort of gave up on sightings and Peter's

606
00:29:43,990 --> 00:29:41,870
done the sighting thing but I sort of

607
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:44,000
gave up on the sightings in that you

608
00:29:47,470 --> 00:29:45,290
know it tells you something's going on

609
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:47,480
but you know it's like you know I do I

610
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:49,010
want to log keep logging these things

611
00:29:52,390 --> 00:29:50,330
and so I sort of give up on a sighting

612
00:29:54,550 --> 00:29:52,400
thing and then this there's always these

613
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:54,560
synchronicities that happened that my my

614
00:30:00,460 --> 00:29:57,530
father was a pilot for the oh that's my

615
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:00,470
favorite subject you know that yeah that

616
00:30:02,830 --> 00:30:01,850
my father was a pilot for the Canadian

617
00:30:04,390 --> 00:30:02,840
government for the Department of

618
00:30:05,860 --> 00:30:04,400
Transport he actually flew Paul Hellyer

619
00:30:06,910 --> 00:30:05,870
around when Paul Hellyer was the

620
00:30:08,380 --> 00:30:06,920
minister

621
00:30:11,410 --> 00:30:08,390
the Department of Transport in Canada

622
00:30:13,870 --> 00:30:11,420
and my father sort of played the skeptic

623
00:30:15,610 --> 00:30:13,880
he'd had a sighting himself as a pilot

624
00:30:16,900 --> 00:30:15,620
but he said I always wanted to play this

625
00:30:18,310 --> 00:30:16,910
sort of the skeptic guy you know there's

626
00:30:19,750 --> 00:30:18,320
more questions than her answers and all

627
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:19,760
this kind of stuff and just sort of

628
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:22,010
always was um you know on my case and it

629
00:30:25,030 --> 00:30:23,330
was actually good because it kept me on

630
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:25,040
my toes I couldn't say you know stupid

631
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:26,450
things he would always sort of challenge

632
00:30:32,860 --> 00:30:28,250
me if I said stupid things but anyway he

633
00:30:34,330 --> 00:30:32,870
somebody in his office happened to have

634
00:30:35,890 --> 00:30:34,340
a sighting and he said well this Ernie

635
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:35,900
up guy's got a sighting you want to go

636
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:37,130
talk to him I said yeah okay whatever

637
00:30:40,690 --> 00:30:38,690
you know I I go there was just a

638
00:30:42,550 --> 00:30:40,700
lightness guy thing nothing unusual and

639
00:30:43,630 --> 00:30:42,560
was from this period of time and they

640
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:43,640
said you know if you really want to know

641
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:45,770
what's going on with UFOs and you should

642
00:30:49,390 --> 00:30:46,970
study what the Kenyan government was

643
00:30:51,730 --> 00:30:49,400
doing in the 1950s and I worked for the

644
00:30:53,530 --> 00:30:51,740
guy and I went yeah did and you did the

645
00:30:57,100 --> 00:30:53,540
book on Wilbur Smith I mean yes yeah

646
00:30:59,740 --> 00:30:57,110
yeah yeah I must say no not a world of

647
00:31:02,080 --> 00:30:59,750
interest in it when it first came out

648
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:02,090
there was a few you know comments and

649
00:31:06,940 --> 00:31:03,770
stuff like that and I did talk to

650
00:31:10,660 --> 00:31:06,950
members of his his family you know he oh

651
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:10,670
yes you know he did do a book and I

652
00:31:15,270 --> 00:31:12,050
can't remember the name of it but it had

653
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:15,280
to do with energy in UFOs and you know

654
00:31:20,380 --> 00:31:17,690
science is right now and and of course

655
00:31:22,780 --> 00:31:20,390
they were one of the favorite cases that

656
00:31:24,850 --> 00:31:22,790
they were involved in was this object

657
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:24,860
that had been landed and I don't

658
00:31:28,210 --> 00:31:26,090
remember the details but there was a

659
00:31:29,470 --> 00:31:28,220
crash object it landed in the water or

660
00:31:32,950 --> 00:31:29,480
something and they had fried Lawrence

661
00:31:36,610 --> 00:31:32,960
River yeah yeah from it and of course he

662
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:36,620
was the first to do an actual poll or

663
00:31:42,370 --> 00:31:39,170
survey of people who claimed to have a

664
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:42,380
contact with the UFOs I mean he had like

665
00:31:51,100 --> 00:31:45,530
a 60 should we call them contactees or a

666
00:31:53,890 --> 00:31:51,110
UFO would observers you know people that

667
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:53,900
had hardcore information and he would

668
00:31:59,320 --> 00:31:56,930
ask them you know specific questions and

669
00:32:02,560 --> 00:31:59,330
then he would compile the answers and

670
00:32:05,550 --> 00:32:02,570
see compare them and he found that there

671
00:32:07,990 --> 00:32:05,560
was a great deal of comparison between a

672
00:32:09,790 --> 00:32:08,000
number of these individuals even though

673
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:09,800
they were not in contact with each other

674
00:32:13,390 --> 00:32:11,570
it didn't know each other or hadn't

675
00:32:15,910 --> 00:32:13,400
heard the other individuals reports and

676
00:32:18,670 --> 00:32:15,920
and so forth so he was he was certainly

677
00:32:20,780 --> 00:32:18,680
more open-minded and more attuned than

678
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:20,790
most people give him a credit

679
00:32:24,860 --> 00:32:23,130
for yeah and he was a contact he himself

680
00:32:27,290 --> 00:32:24,870
I mean he was in contact with an alien

681
00:32:29,060 --> 00:32:27,300
venom of alpha and he in fact in the bin

682
00:32:31,250 --> 00:32:29,070
in this new science book if you look at

683
00:32:34,550 --> 00:32:31,260
the the in the beginning of the book he

684
00:32:36,860 --> 00:32:34,560
said dictated to Wilbur Rocko Smith from

685
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:36,870
beings more advanced than we are so he

686
00:32:41,630 --> 00:32:38,370
basically claimed to be the book the

687
00:32:43,430 --> 00:32:41,640
beings gave him this book and said and

688
00:32:44,930 --> 00:32:43,440
one of the weird things is there's a guy

689
00:32:48,140 --> 00:32:44,940
that you may want to get on your show

690
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:48,150
he's uh is a study scientist in England

691
00:32:54,290 --> 00:32:50,730
and I met him a number of years ago in

692
00:32:54,710 --> 00:32:54,300
is in Ireland and he runs the King King

693
00:32:59,800 --> 00:32:54,720
heads

694
00:33:02,390 --> 00:32:59,810
he's a guy actually lectured to SETI and

695
00:33:05,180 --> 00:33:02,400
he's into communication he sent to say D

696
00:33:10,370 --> 00:33:05,190
communication and he has actually built

697
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:10,380
a system based upon Wilbur Smith's what

698
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:12,810
the radio stuff great Wilbur Smith

699
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:14,370
claimed he had contact with the beings

700
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:17,130
and he'd built these coils and he had

701
00:33:22,070 --> 00:33:20,130
this psychic guy who was there and these

702
00:33:23,780 --> 00:33:22,080
coils involved you had to use

703
00:33:27,500 --> 00:33:23,790
consciousness or connected with these

704
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:27,510
coils but this Anne's bro doctor Anne's

705
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:30,090
burrow from Ireland has is actually

706
00:33:34,100 --> 00:33:32,130
going public with the second system like

707
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:34,110
in SETI you need two different systems

708
00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:35,970
going at the same time you can't have

709
00:33:39,710 --> 00:33:37,440
just one system we could get a signal

710
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:39,720
and he claims that he's at the verge of

711
00:33:43,790 --> 00:33:41,490
getting signals about to interview him

712
00:33:45,740 --> 00:33:43,800
on just a short interview to go through

713
00:33:48,740 --> 00:33:45,750
I was in his lab this is a number of

714
00:33:52,130 --> 00:33:48,750
years ago and he had he's kind of an

715
00:33:53,660 --> 00:33:52,140
optical expert and he's got also two

716
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:53,670
telescopes and all this kind of stuff

717
00:33:59,720 --> 00:33:56,610
very high-tech I remember seeing 3d TV

718
00:34:01,400 --> 00:33:59,730
in his lab and this is going back oh

719
00:34:03,770 --> 00:34:01,410
seven eight years ago and with no

720
00:34:05,210 --> 00:34:03,780
glasses it's 3d TV and it was like we

721
00:34:07,010 --> 00:34:05,220
were always got to touch the screen and

722
00:34:08,750 --> 00:34:07,020
the the other guy work with him is young

723
00:34:09,980 --> 00:34:08,760
don't touch the screen and it was like I

724
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:09,990
still haven't seen that in the in the

725
00:34:14,630 --> 00:34:11,970
public but very advanced sort of guy but

726
00:34:17,210 --> 00:34:14,640
he's based on Wilbur Smith stuff and his

727
00:34:19,720 --> 00:34:17,220
wife is almost like a psychic thing say

728
00:34:22,070 --> 00:34:19,730
miss Wilbur Smith's wife was was able to

729
00:34:24,919 --> 00:34:22,080
do automatic writing and channel and

730
00:34:27,260 --> 00:34:24,929
stuff like that and so when I went to

731
00:34:29,690 --> 00:34:27,270
them when when I I left the sightings in

732
00:34:32,900 --> 00:34:29,700
76 after nobody would publish this book

733
00:34:34,370 --> 00:34:32,910
I went and I chased Wilbur Smith I went

734
00:34:34,750 --> 00:34:34,380
talked to his wife she was still alive

735
00:34:37,450 --> 00:34:34,760
at

736
00:34:39,430 --> 00:34:37,460
and it was like science fiction when she

737
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:39,440
starts telling me you know all the stuff

738
00:34:43,869 --> 00:34:41,450
that was going on and and talking about

739
00:34:45,550 --> 00:34:43,879
this app as if he was like the the the

740
00:34:48,820 --> 00:34:45,560
pet of the family you know it was just

741
00:34:50,980 --> 00:34:48,830
like bizarre so I did all that and then

742
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:50,990
of course they wrote the famous top

743
00:34:55,659 --> 00:34:53,450
secret memo they sort of the the clot

744
00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:55,669
the sort of the top document in the

745
00:34:59,590 --> 00:34:57,650
offal field that everybody sort of sort

746
00:35:02,349 --> 00:34:59,600
of ignores I don't know why it is an

747
00:35:04,750 --> 00:35:02,359
official document in the Canadian

748
00:35:07,060 --> 00:35:04,760
government that is in the Department of

749
00:35:08,950 --> 00:35:07,070
Transport files written in 1950 it was

750
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:08,960
top secret and that's where Wilbur Smith

751
00:35:12,310 --> 00:35:10,850
because Wilbur Smith was the senior

752
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:12,320
radio engineer for the Canadian

753
00:35:16,599 --> 00:35:14,450
government and that put him in charge of

754
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:16,609
what was called Radio Ottawa and radio

755
00:35:19,720 --> 00:35:18,650
Ottawa was the NSA of Canada they were

756
00:35:21,910 --> 00:35:19,730
picking off the Russian communications

757
00:35:23,020 --> 00:35:21,920
they had this this whole facility where

758
00:35:25,180 --> 00:35:23,030
they were grabbing Russian

759
00:35:26,950 --> 00:35:25,190
communications and so Wilbur Smith ran

760
00:35:28,270 --> 00:35:26,960
this and one of his people told me this

761
00:35:30,150 --> 00:35:28,280
he said you don't realize who this guy

762
00:35:32,890 --> 00:35:30,160
is I mean he had this super top secret

763
00:35:34,359 --> 00:35:32,900
clearance and so he went down the United

764
00:35:37,750 --> 00:35:34,369
States on conferences and stuff in

765
00:35:39,070 --> 00:35:37,760
Washington and and this is in 1950 and

766
00:35:40,510 --> 00:35:39,080
he started asking the Americans like

767
00:35:42,490 --> 00:35:40,520
what's the deal with flying saucers and

768
00:35:43,900 --> 00:35:42,500
they go through a guy by the name of

769
00:35:46,450 --> 00:35:43,910
Arnold Wright who was the military

770
00:35:48,310 --> 00:35:46,460
liaison for the Canadians and they went

771
00:35:50,230 --> 00:35:48,320
through the McCain embassy in Washington

772
00:35:52,859 --> 00:35:50,240
and went to the research and development

773
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:52,869
board which was doing all the research

774
00:35:57,070 --> 00:35:55,970
for weapons and stuff like that and they

775
00:35:59,050 --> 00:35:57,080
asked the question what's the deal with

776
00:36:01,720 --> 00:35:59,060
flying saucers and and the top secret

777
00:36:03,190 --> 00:36:01,730
memo according to what Smith wrote we

778
00:36:05,980 --> 00:36:03,200
were we went through discreet inquiry

779
00:36:08,380 --> 00:36:05,990
made discreet inquiries in the United

780
00:36:10,540 --> 00:36:08,390
States through the Canadian embassy and

781
00:36:11,859 --> 00:36:10,550
we were top told by American officials

782
00:36:13,990 --> 00:36:11,869
not Bey people in street American

783
00:36:15,340 --> 00:36:14,000
officials flying saucers exists it's the

784
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:15,350
most highly classified subject the

785
00:36:18,730 --> 00:36:17,570
United States small group headed by dr.

786
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:18,740
banner of our Bush's trying to figure

787
00:36:22,599 --> 00:36:20,330
out what's going on it's of tremendous

788
00:36:25,270 --> 00:36:22,609
significance to the Americans and then

789
00:36:28,060 --> 00:36:25,280
they were also told in 1950 that other

790
00:36:29,950 --> 00:36:28,070
things such as mental phenomena may be

791
00:36:31,270 --> 00:36:29,960
involved with the saucers and they're

792
00:36:32,290 --> 00:36:31,280
not doing very well because they said if

793
00:36:34,630 --> 00:36:32,300
we're working on it they're willing to

794
00:36:36,730 --> 00:36:34,640
talk to us now that's a key I always

795
00:36:38,260 --> 00:36:36,740
bring up to people that consciousness

796
00:36:40,150 --> 00:36:38,270
unless you understand consciousness

797
00:36:41,859 --> 00:36:40,160
you're sort of lost in the UFO field

798
00:36:43,870 --> 00:36:41,869
because that's where it's all gonna come

799
00:36:45,910 --> 00:36:43,880
down to his consciousness and already in

800
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:45,920
1950 the Americans had told the

801
00:36:48,430 --> 00:36:47,930
Canadians that mental phenomena was

802
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:48,440
involved

803
00:36:52,750 --> 00:36:50,810
flying saucers which is bizarre because

804
00:36:55,420 --> 00:36:52,760
Betty and Barney Hills book would not

805
00:36:58,329 --> 00:36:55,430
become public until the mid-60s and with

806
00:37:00,069 --> 00:36:58,339
the telepathic aliens and Adamski and

807
00:37:01,569 --> 00:37:00,079
Williamson would not become public until

808
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:01,579
a couple of days after the detonation of

809
00:37:04,780 --> 00:37:03,290
the hydrogen bomb so there was nobody

810
00:37:07,450 --> 00:37:04,790
talking to aliens publicly there's no

811
00:37:09,130 --> 00:37:07,460
statements about telepathic aliens and

812
00:37:11,050 --> 00:37:09,140
stuff like that and so the question is

813
00:37:13,030 --> 00:37:11,060
how did the Americans know in 1950 at

814
00:37:14,980 --> 00:37:13,040
mental phenomena was involved and I'm

815
00:37:16,990 --> 00:37:14,990
just guessing but I would say I mean the

816
00:37:19,030 --> 00:37:17,000
chances are that if Roz Wald was real

817
00:37:20,829 --> 00:37:19,040
they recovered a live alien there and

818
00:37:21,370 --> 00:37:20,839
the alien was telepathic and was talking

819
00:37:24,130 --> 00:37:21,380
in their heads

820
00:37:26,500 --> 00:37:24,140
thus the cover-up not just so much where

821
00:37:28,210 --> 00:37:26,510
they come from the nuts and bolts stuff

822
00:37:29,980 --> 00:37:28,220
but if they have a had a live alien it

823
00:37:31,059 --> 00:37:29,990
was telepathic it was talking in

824
00:37:33,339 --> 00:37:31,069
people's heads and it could read your

825
00:37:35,109 --> 00:37:33,349
mind and stuff and they went like wow if

826
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:35,119
we could have this technology and that's

827
00:37:38,470 --> 00:37:36,890
why they went into the MKULTRA and

828
00:37:40,329 --> 00:37:38,480
started looking at consciousness trying

829
00:37:41,650 --> 00:37:40,339
to figure out this is this idea because

830
00:37:44,380 --> 00:37:41,660
they realized they had this live alien

831
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:44,390
that this was a key part of this

832
00:37:49,240 --> 00:37:47,450
phenomena so I sort of went down this

833
00:37:50,260 --> 00:37:49,250
rabbit hole from there and then to the

834
00:37:52,059 --> 00:37:50,270
former president of Penn State

835
00:37:54,420 --> 00:37:52,069
University and that led me to the

836
00:37:57,069 --> 00:37:54,430
president and and so I spent decades

837
00:37:58,599 --> 00:37:57,079
chasing the president which ones had

838
00:37:59,800 --> 00:37:58,609
sightings which ones had talked about

839
00:38:01,359 --> 00:37:59,810
and number them actually didn't talk

840
00:38:03,190 --> 00:38:01,369
about it that's something that people

841
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:03,200
really don't sort of talk about very

842
00:38:06,550 --> 00:38:05,210
much but you know people always say well

843
00:38:07,809 --> 00:38:06,560
if the president stands up and says it's

844
00:38:13,710 --> 00:38:07,819
for real then I believe it he's done

845
00:38:15,790 --> 00:38:13,720
that I don't know if that's true today

846
00:38:17,470 --> 00:38:15,800
today you have the other thing is people

847
00:38:18,609 --> 00:38:17,480
always ask me well does does the

848
00:38:20,109 --> 00:38:18,619
president know is he

849
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:20,119
you know reporting to an evil cabal and

850
00:38:22,510 --> 00:38:21,290
I said well look at the guy he's in

851
00:38:24,339 --> 00:38:22,520
there right now do you actually think

852
00:38:26,260 --> 00:38:24,349
this guy's reporting to an evil cabal I

853
00:38:28,599 --> 00:38:26,270
mean he's like Lockheed skunkworks is

854
00:38:31,420 --> 00:38:28,609
supposedly the the agency that that runs

855
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:31,430
the flying saucers and he did one tweet

856
00:38:34,990 --> 00:38:33,170
and they took four billion dollars off

857
00:38:36,700 --> 00:38:35,000
the books in two days I mean he almost

858
00:38:38,859 --> 00:38:36,710
took the company under with one tweet I

859
00:38:40,780 --> 00:38:38,869
mean people don't realize how powerful

860
00:38:44,050 --> 00:38:40,790
the president is and they sort of think

861
00:38:46,690 --> 00:38:44,060
like he's some crazy you know guy who

862
00:38:48,849 --> 00:38:46,700
just is a puppet that is told what to do

863
00:38:50,740 --> 00:38:48,859
and I would say no I really don't know

864
00:38:52,089 --> 00:38:50,750
some are pretty egotistical and that's

865
00:38:56,470 --> 00:38:52,099
how they got there and they got thick

866
00:38:58,359 --> 00:38:56,480
skin and they basically they're the

867
00:39:00,849 --> 00:38:58,369
whole thing is plausible deniability you

868
00:39:02,599 --> 00:39:00,859
want to you want to everybody to think

869
00:39:04,700 --> 00:39:02,609
that the president doesn't know about

870
00:39:06,620 --> 00:39:04,710
he does know but iran-contra he doesn't

871
00:39:08,779 --> 00:39:06,630
know about whitewater he doesn't know

872
00:39:10,759 --> 00:39:08,789
about UFOs he's just an idiot because

873
00:39:12,170 --> 00:39:10,769
you don't want everybody asking the

874
00:39:13,759 --> 00:39:12,180
president every knows what the president

875
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:13,769
lives every knows what his floor number

876
00:39:16,999 --> 00:39:15,690
is so if it suddenly becomes public that

877
00:39:18,769 --> 00:39:17,009
the President of the United States is

878
00:39:20,390 --> 00:39:18,779
the wizard behind the curtain he's the

879
00:39:21,229 --> 00:39:20,400
guy running the cover-up well then all

880
00:39:22,729 --> 00:39:21,239
bets are off

881
00:39:24,259 --> 00:39:22,739
because everybody's they're gonna think

882
00:39:26,059 --> 00:39:24,269
of nothing else but let's ask the

883
00:39:27,650 --> 00:39:26,069
president what's going on and he's in a

884
00:39:28,519 --> 00:39:27,660
box so they they make it look like he's

885
00:39:31,549 --> 00:39:28,529
some kind of dummy

886
00:39:34,370 --> 00:39:31,559
well well well great how about the the

887
00:39:38,509 --> 00:39:34,380
statements that were made on the Jimmy

888
00:39:42,609 --> 00:39:38,519
Kimmel show both by Obama and by Hillary

889
00:39:45,349 --> 00:39:42,619
I mean were they to let the the the

890
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:45,359
horse out of the barn so to speak a

891
00:39:49,579 --> 00:39:47,249
little bit or are they doing it just for

892
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:49,589
a laugh or no I that's where I say

893
00:39:52,130 --> 00:39:51,210
they're actually disclosing this kind of

894
00:39:54,829 --> 00:39:52,140
stuff

895
00:39:58,130 --> 00:39:54,839
Obama was really big I mean Obama went

896
00:39:59,989 --> 00:39:58,140
on Kimmel show and he knew the UFO

897
00:40:02,329 --> 00:39:59,999
question was coming because if you

898
00:40:04,549 --> 00:40:02,339
remember the interview they say you know

899
00:40:06,709 --> 00:40:04,559
we had bill on here and what happened

900
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:06,719
was when bill was on there he was you

901
00:40:12,259 --> 00:40:08,249
know he's sort of hemming and hawing and

902
00:40:15,079 --> 00:40:12,269
his hands are going whatever and well

903
00:40:17,959 --> 00:40:15,089
what's his name did the analysis of his

904
00:40:20,029 --> 00:40:17,969
the FBI guy did the analysis Ben Hansen

905
00:40:21,739 --> 00:40:20,039
did the analysis of Bill Clinton and

906
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:21,749
determined that he was being evasive in

907
00:40:26,359 --> 00:40:24,450
his in his replies and so when when

908
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:26,369
Obama comes on the show Kimmel system

909
00:40:29,749 --> 00:40:27,930
well you realize they're gonna watch

910
00:40:31,370 --> 00:40:29,759
everything you do every time you swallow

911
00:40:33,109 --> 00:40:31,380
they're gonna be watching you and that's

912
00:40:35,299 --> 00:40:33,119
making reference to this Bill Clinton

913
00:40:37,279 --> 00:40:35,309
thing that they did this analysis so

914
00:40:39,079 --> 00:40:37,289
Obama knows the questions coming he

915
00:40:42,170 --> 00:40:39,089
knows what's happening and you see that

916
00:40:43,999 --> 00:40:42,180
when he's asked a question they'd be the

917
00:40:45,950 --> 00:40:44,009
ultimate question is okay bill said he

918
00:40:48,380 --> 00:40:45,960
couldn't get any when he went there when

919
00:40:50,329 --> 00:40:48,390
you went there what did you find out did

920
00:40:52,700 --> 00:40:50,339
you look and that's when they have

921
00:40:55,219 --> 00:40:52,710
high-def TV and he's wearing the lapel

922
00:40:58,099 --> 00:40:55,229
pin the the the the US flag lapel pin

923
00:40:59,809 --> 00:40:58,109
and they vannhansen determines he's

924
00:41:01,549 --> 00:40:59,819
breathing at 42 times a minute he's

925
00:41:03,229 --> 00:41:01,559
hyperventilating and here's a guy who's

926
00:41:04,759 --> 00:41:03,239
been president for like seven years and

927
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:04,769
sudden he's hyperventilating on a

928
00:41:08,359 --> 00:41:06,690
question he's like panicked over this

929
00:41:10,549 --> 00:41:08,369
question he said I can't reveal anything

930
00:41:12,170 --> 00:41:10,559
and that's what happens like Kimmel has

931
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:12,180
done more for disclosure than probably

932
00:41:15,859 --> 00:41:13,890
anybody because that's his big question

933
00:41:16,039 --> 00:41:15,869
he doesn't he could hardly wait till I

934
00:41:17,479 --> 00:41:16,049
get

935
00:41:19,489 --> 00:41:17,489
Trump on there because that's his big

936
00:41:21,519 --> 00:41:19,499
question is to ask what did you do did

937
00:41:24,229 --> 00:41:21,529
you look for the files can he ask Bush

938
00:41:26,479 --> 00:41:24,239
jr. when he came on this happened only a

939
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:26,489
couple months ago and he said to Bush

940
00:41:30,079 --> 00:41:28,650
okay when you got to the White House did

941
00:41:32,269 --> 00:41:30,089
you look for the files and he's and then

942
00:41:33,799 --> 00:41:32,279
Bush says all my daughters always asked

943
00:41:34,999 --> 00:41:33,809
me the same question and then Kimmel

944
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:35,009
says well what do you tell your

945
00:41:38,329 --> 00:41:37,170
daughters he said nothing he said so

946
00:41:40,789 --> 00:41:38,339
you're not gonna you're not gonna tell

947
00:41:42,709 --> 00:41:40,799
us I'm not telling you nothing so he

948
00:41:44,269 --> 00:41:42,719
didn't deny it he didn't say no to it he

949
00:41:46,459 --> 00:41:44,279
could have said I don't know it's

950
00:41:48,650 --> 00:41:46,469
there's no UFOs whatever he just they go

951
00:41:50,839 --> 00:41:48,660
to this thing where it the plausible

952
00:41:53,209 --> 00:41:50,849
deniability and they're not lying and

953
00:41:54,620 --> 00:41:53,219
same as Obama Obama I was numerous times

954
00:41:56,419 --> 00:41:54,630
he was on The Ellen Show we had this

955
00:41:59,449 --> 00:41:56,429
little six-year-old girl who was the

956
00:42:01,400 --> 00:41:59,459
presidential expert and and and he was

957
00:42:02,689 --> 00:42:01,410
reading off a cue card you could tell he

958
00:42:04,459 --> 00:42:02,699
was I had both of her reading off cue

959
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:04,469
cards so this was all planned and the

960
00:42:11,419 --> 00:42:07,170
funniest State the funniest thing grant

961
00:42:14,269 --> 00:42:11,429
is they were and I think it was the the

962
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:14,279
Kennedy Center what I did he was giving

963
00:42:20,329 --> 00:42:17,249
out awards and and the subject of area

964
00:42:22,189 --> 00:42:20,339
51 came up and Obama said well is

965
00:42:22,999 --> 00:42:22,199
Shirley MacLaine she knows more about it

966
00:42:25,339 --> 00:42:23,009
than I do

967
00:42:26,599 --> 00:42:25,349
yeah any yeah and then he said I'm

968
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:26,609
probably the first president to talk

969
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:29,130
publicly but about area 51 and that's

970
00:42:33,499 --> 00:42:31,650
when they Declassified you area 51 so

971
00:42:35,150 --> 00:42:33,509
when the president talks about something

972
00:42:38,089 --> 00:42:35,160
the subject immediately becomes too

973
00:42:41,059 --> 00:42:38,099
classified same as Trump in within about

974
00:42:42,979 --> 00:42:41,069
six months ago he made public the fact

975
00:42:45,049 --> 00:42:42,989
that that they had stopped financing the

976
00:42:47,390 --> 00:42:45,059
rebels in Syria and that was a black ops

977
00:42:48,829 --> 00:42:47,400
operation and it was made public that

978
00:42:50,269 --> 00:42:48,839
now this is public people can talk about

979
00:42:52,249 --> 00:42:50,279
it because because the president talks

980
00:42:54,499 --> 00:42:52,259
about it and so it comes down to this

981
00:42:55,819 --> 00:42:54,509
idea that I even say I think the

982
00:42:59,599 --> 00:42:55,829
president may actually have Declassified

983
00:43:01,279 --> 00:42:59,609
UFOs and it happened in no because part

984
00:43:03,079 --> 00:43:01,289
of the story of the managing Magic and

985
00:43:05,059 --> 00:43:03,089
I'm chasing this Ron Pandolfi guy around

986
00:43:06,650 --> 00:43:05,069
and stuff I got is what the story I've

987
00:43:08,809 --> 00:43:06,660
been told from all the inside people I'm

988
00:43:10,910 --> 00:43:08,819
talking to is that something happened

989
00:43:12,859 --> 00:43:10,920
that in the last two years they have six

990
00:43:15,079 --> 00:43:12,869
teams and they are dumping this story

991
00:43:17,059 --> 00:43:15,089
there are big time doing all these

992
00:43:18,919 --> 00:43:17,069
operations to leak stuff into the UFO

993
00:43:21,109 --> 00:43:18,929
community they want this thing out and

994
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:21,119
so we're asking like what could possibly

995
00:43:24,620 --> 00:43:22,650
have happened in the last two years that

996
00:43:28,339 --> 00:43:24,630
triggered this and what it may have been

997
00:43:30,140 --> 00:43:28,349
was in November of nineteen or 2015

998
00:43:32,660 --> 00:43:30,150
Barack Obama doesn't

999
00:43:34,039 --> 00:43:32,670
interview with GQ magazine and in that

1000
00:43:35,450 --> 00:43:34,049
interview he's asked and he was asked

1001
00:43:37,609 --> 00:43:35,460
numerous times during his presidency

1002
00:43:38,809 --> 00:43:37,619
okay you know what about the the

1003
00:43:40,279 --> 00:43:38,819
president's book of secrets you know the

1004
00:43:42,019 --> 00:43:40,289
president you ever look for the secrets

1005
00:43:44,029 --> 00:43:42,029
you ever get the oldest secrets and he

1006
00:43:46,789 --> 00:43:44,039
starts in on UFOs and he says to the guy

1007
00:43:49,039 --> 00:43:46,799
he says you know everybody always asked

1008
00:43:50,930 --> 00:43:49,049
me about the UFOs and Roswell and the

1009
00:43:53,720 --> 00:43:50,940
aliens and I just want to let you know

1010
00:43:55,730 --> 00:43:53,730
that that top-secret stuff isn't as

1011
00:43:57,500 --> 00:43:55,740
exciting as you think it is and it's

1012
00:43:59,420 --> 00:43:57,510
like unbelievable and you figure like

1013
00:44:01,940 --> 00:43:59,430
here we go you know it's it's game over

1014
00:44:03,890 --> 00:44:01,950
now and we ended is always say the the

1015
00:44:06,230 --> 00:44:03,900
GQ magazine a guy that was that doing

1016
00:44:09,140 --> 00:44:06,240
the interview it either had a stroke or

1017
00:44:10,670 --> 00:44:09,150
fell asleep or something because his

1018
00:44:16,010 --> 00:44:10,680
next question was would you like to be a

1019
00:44:18,319 --> 00:44:16,020
Supreme Court justice and so the

1020
00:44:19,910 --> 00:44:18,329
question is way to classify UFOs did he

1021
00:44:22,279 --> 00:44:19,920
give it give us sort of a green light to

1022
00:44:23,990 --> 00:44:22,289
people to to put this stuff out because

1023
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:24,000
you'll see these things at the end of

1024
00:44:27,829 --> 00:44:25,650
the Reagan administration they run this

1025
00:44:29,900 --> 00:44:27,839
UFO cover-up live documentary where they

1026
00:44:31,549 --> 00:44:29,910
leaked the area 51 story the live alien

1027
00:44:32,900 --> 00:44:31,559
story this is all in this documentary

1028
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:32,910
and when Barack Obama

1029
00:44:36,170 --> 00:44:34,410
two days before Barack Obama leaves

1030
00:44:37,970 --> 00:44:36,180
office suddenly they got these millions

1031
00:44:40,849 --> 00:44:37,980
of pages of CIA documents on remote

1032
00:44:43,339 --> 00:44:40,859
viewing and and and UFOs are put onto

1033
00:44:44,930 --> 00:44:43,349
the Internet so these things as always

1034
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:44,940
say if something happens in the cie

1035
00:44:48,410 --> 00:44:46,650
people say oh the CIA is doing this CIA

1036
00:44:50,450 --> 00:44:48,420
is doing that I say no CIA doesn't do

1037
00:44:51,859 --> 00:44:50,460
anything the CIA works for the president

1038
00:44:54,079 --> 00:44:51,869
it's the president doing it

1039
00:44:55,460 --> 00:44:54,089
so when of CIA does something it's been

1040
00:44:56,569 --> 00:44:55,470
green lighted by the president because

1041
00:44:58,160 --> 00:44:56,579
if they don't greenlight it with the

1042
00:44:59,539 --> 00:44:58,170
President and it goes south the

1043
00:45:01,549 --> 00:44:59,549
president is going to be caught called

1044
00:45:03,829 --> 00:45:01,559
on the carpet so the president knows if

1045
00:45:06,559 --> 00:45:03,839
he's leaking the CIA puts out 12 million

1046
00:45:08,180 --> 00:45:06,569
pages of you awful and remote viewing

1047
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:08,190
documents and stuff like that the

1048
00:45:12,049 --> 00:45:10,170
president knows they did it there's no

1049
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:12,059
doubt about that and so they are doing

1050
00:45:16,730 --> 00:45:14,130
these these gradual things but there

1051
00:45:18,559 --> 00:45:16,740
there's no intention of disclosure

1052
00:45:20,599 --> 00:45:18,569
that's like the president is standing up

1053
00:45:21,799 --> 00:45:20,609
on national TV and committing suicide

1054
00:45:23,299 --> 00:45:21,809
there's no way they're going to do that

1055
00:45:24,980 --> 00:45:23,309
and the aliens aren't doing it either

1056
00:45:25,690 --> 00:45:24,990
whoever the intelligence is they're not

1057
00:45:28,190 --> 00:45:25,700
doing it either

1058
00:45:29,870 --> 00:45:28,200
you got that you got that right man you

1059
00:45:31,700 --> 00:45:29,880
know if it was going to be disclosure

1060
00:45:35,599 --> 00:45:31,710
day they would they would do some

1061
00:45:38,269 --> 00:45:35,609
monumental you know like event that

1062
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:38,279
where there couldn't be any mistake you

1063
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:40,770
know yeah yeah so they're doing the

1064
00:45:44,090 --> 00:45:42,930
thing where they're one of the people

1065
00:45:46,820 --> 00:45:44,100
brought up a thing

1066
00:45:48,260 --> 00:45:46,830
for that that I I didn't realize they

1067
00:45:50,660 --> 00:45:48,270
they said there was actually some me

1068
00:45:52,730 --> 00:45:50,670
some researcher was done where they do

1069
00:45:55,580 --> 00:45:52,740
they they tested people's intelligence

1070
00:45:57,830 --> 00:45:55,590
and then they made them read Kafka stuff

1071
00:45:59,840 --> 00:45:57,840
and that people's intelligence actually

1072
00:46:01,280 --> 00:45:59,850
went up after that and so that may be

1073
00:46:03,140 --> 00:46:01,290
what it's all about is is this

1074
00:46:04,730 --> 00:46:03,150
acclimatization but it's making people

1075
00:46:06,770 --> 00:46:04,740
think it's like you've given them little

1076
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:06,780
hints especially the the intelligence

1077
00:46:10,340 --> 00:46:08,370
behind the phenomena that they do these

1078
00:46:11,450 --> 00:46:10,350
little things like crop circles a breeze

1079
00:46:12,650 --> 00:46:11,460
trying to figure what is this angle

1080
00:46:13,910 --> 00:46:12,660
what's the what's the clue and

1081
00:46:15,170 --> 00:46:13,920
everybody's trying to think it out and

1082
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:15,180
so when you come to the conclusion

1083
00:46:19,310 --> 00:46:17,370
you've come up to yourself because

1084
00:46:20,630 --> 00:46:19,320
there's so many things wrong when if you

1085
00:46:23,270 --> 00:46:20,640
read the you you had the book managing

1086
00:46:24,830 --> 00:46:23,280
magic I said you know there's I has a

1087
00:46:26,390 --> 00:46:24,840
chapter on the sixty-four reasons they

1088
00:46:27,500 --> 00:46:26,400
decided not to tell you the truth and

1089
00:46:29,630 --> 00:46:27,510
you start looking at some of those

1090
00:46:30,980 --> 00:46:29,640
sixty-four reasons and you go like oh

1091
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:30,990
man you know if I was the president I'd

1092
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:32,370
probably do exactly the same thing and

1093
00:46:34,850 --> 00:46:33,210
there have been fourteen

1094
00:46:35,990 --> 00:46:34,860
administration's and they've all done

1095
00:46:38,390 --> 00:46:36,000
exactly the same thing there's been

1096
00:46:39,740 --> 00:46:38,400
seven Republicans seven Democratic

1097
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:39,750
administrations and they've all done

1098
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:41,610
exactly the same thing which means that

1099
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:43,410
the people running the thing actually

1100
00:46:46,190 --> 00:46:45,090
think they're saving the world and they

1101
00:46:48,170 --> 00:46:46,200
think they're doing the right thing it's

1102
00:46:49,730 --> 00:46:48,180
a you can't keep this sort of thing

1103
00:46:50,900 --> 00:46:49,740
going over those things unless you've

1104
00:46:52,370 --> 00:46:50,910
got a lot of people who actually believe

1105
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:52,380
that you're doing the right thing and

1106
00:46:55,670 --> 00:46:54,090
that's what when we went after doctor

1107
00:46:58,070 --> 00:46:55,680
Eric Walker who had worked for

1108
00:46:59,600 --> 00:46:58,080
Eisenhower was chairman of the board of

1109
00:47:00,800 --> 00:46:59,610
the Institute for Defense analysis the

1110
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:00,810
biggest thing thanked in the United

1111
00:47:06,380 --> 00:47:03,690
States when when we came to him he

1112
00:47:09,710 --> 00:47:06,390
basically said why should we change the

1113
00:47:10,970 --> 00:47:09,720
rules to satisfy your curiosity and and

1114
00:47:12,650 --> 00:47:10,980
when he said that I went rule so it

1115
00:47:14,810 --> 00:47:12,660
rolls and I'm thinking holy cult there's

1116
00:47:16,340 --> 00:47:14,820
rules I mean it's like and he just he

1117
00:47:18,260 --> 00:47:16,350
would he wouldn't talk about it like he

1118
00:47:19,490 --> 00:47:18,270
said I can't talk about this go study

1119
00:47:21,170 --> 00:47:19,500
something else you're up against the

1120
00:47:22,430 --> 00:47:21,180
windmills you're wasting your time

1121
00:47:23,900 --> 00:47:22,440
unless you have the mind of Einstein

1122
00:47:26,090 --> 00:47:23,910
you're never gonna understand this thing

1123
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:26,100
and just leave me alone and stuff but he

1124
00:47:29,270 --> 00:47:27,450
could hang up the phone so people kept

1125
00:47:30,890 --> 00:47:29,280
bugging him and then at this one time he

1126
00:47:32,870 --> 00:47:30,900
blurts out he gets very upset why should

1127
00:47:34,850 --> 00:47:32,880
we change the rules to satisfy your

1128
00:47:36,710 --> 00:47:34,860
curiosity which makes me think that it's

1129
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:36,720
just like the atomic bomb or like who

1130
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:40,530
are the ten top Russian spies well we're

1131
00:47:48,470 --> 00:47:42,690
grant we got we got one rule here we got

1132
00:47:50,540 --> 00:47:48,480
a break at the top of the hour yeah well

1133
00:47:53,380 --> 00:47:50,550
we will be back in just a couple of

1134
00:47:56,300 --> 00:47:53,390
minutes with this really fascinating a

1135
00:47:57,950 --> 00:47:56,310
conversation I mean if I don't speak it

1136
00:48:00,760 --> 00:47:57,960
to grant at least once every

1137
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:00,770
a six-month I think I'm at in a loop

1138
00:48:08,090 --> 00:48:12,820
[Music]

1139
00:48:19,780 --> 00:48:17,120
explode the bazaars are your e-ticket

1140
00:48:23,090 --> 00:48:19,790
ride into the world of the paranoid

1141
00:48:27,370 --> 00:48:23,100
strap yourself in as we traverse the

1142
00:48:31,820 --> 00:48:27,380
universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

1143
00:48:35,990 --> 00:48:31,830
ghosts Lost Worlds cryptozoology waters

1144
00:48:40,490 --> 00:48:36,000
as well as other dimensions it's time to

1145
00:48:42,740 --> 00:48:40,500
take back the night now your

1146
00:48:49,900 --> 00:48:42,750
electrifying hosts of exploring the

1147
00:48:54,380 --> 00:48:52,580
alright welcome back to this second hour

1148
00:48:56,300 --> 00:48:54,390
of exploring the bizarre

1149
00:48:59,420 --> 00:48:56,310
I'm Tim Schwartz tonight we are talking

1150
00:49:02,390 --> 00:48:59,430
with grant Cameron and grant I just want

1151
00:49:05,660 --> 00:49:02,400
to make a comment about something that

1152
00:49:08,180 --> 00:49:05,670
you had said in in the first part of the

1153
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:08,190
show you're talking about Wilbur Smith

1154
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:12,450
and his wife who had psychic abilities

1155
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:17,010
and the like the radio device that he

1156
00:49:23,510 --> 00:49:20,010
was using and then the the SETI

1157
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:23,520
scientist who's who's doing the same

1158
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:24,210
thing

1159
00:49:31,370 --> 00:49:27,330
and it's just got me thinking that there

1160
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:31,380
seems to be especially when these kinds

1161
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:33,330
of electronic devices are being brought

1162
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:38,490
into play that there is a lot of times

1163
00:49:46,850 --> 00:49:41,610
there needs to be this psychic element

1164
00:49:49,460 --> 00:49:46,860
to I guess to make them work you know

1165
00:49:53,720 --> 00:49:49,470
how successful with these contacts have

1166
00:49:56,930 --> 00:49:53,730
been using these devices if say you know

1167
00:50:00,700 --> 00:49:56,940
like the spouse wasn't psychic yeah yeah

1168
00:50:03,020 --> 00:50:00,710
that's one thing that there's actually a

1169
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:03,030
audio that I had never heard until I

1170
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:06,650
watched this SETI guy's wife lecture and

1171
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:09,210
it described and I knew about this guy

1172
00:50:14,150 --> 00:50:10,650
because I had talked to all the inside

1173
00:50:16,430 --> 00:50:14,160
Smith people back in the 70s and the

1174
00:50:18,410 --> 00:50:16,440
Smith couldn't get these he had the two

1175
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:18,420
coils he'd been told by the beings how

1176
00:50:21,110 --> 00:50:19,410
to build the coils

1177
00:50:23,900 --> 00:50:21,120
he built a coils but he couldn't get him

1178
00:50:25,700 --> 00:50:23,910
to work until he gave one to this guy he

1179
00:50:26,240 --> 00:50:25,710
was a blind telex operator it's a really

1180
00:50:27,890 --> 00:50:26,250
weird story

1181
00:50:30,590 --> 00:50:27,900
I knew about this guy because I'd heard

1182
00:50:33,530 --> 00:50:30,600
the very famous story which I'll mention

1183
00:50:35,660 --> 00:50:33,540
a second but anyway this guy was had

1184
00:50:37,130 --> 00:50:35,670
this psychic abilities and Smith said

1185
00:50:42,500 --> 00:50:37,140
that's when these coils started to work

1186
00:50:43,910 --> 00:50:42,510
and so this doctor Anne's bro has used

1187
00:50:47,270 --> 00:50:43,920
this and it's got to do with

1188
00:50:49,790 --> 00:50:47,280
longitudinal waves and scalar waves

1189
00:50:52,490 --> 00:50:49,800
that's what they're using and he had

1190
00:50:55,550 --> 00:50:52,500
followed this this pattern that you

1191
00:50:58,040 --> 00:50:55,560
needed the this psychic element to it

1192
00:50:59,510 --> 00:50:58,050
and he claims to have this as well

1193
00:51:03,260 --> 00:50:59,520
because I remember when I was at the lab

1194
00:51:04,910 --> 00:51:03,270
he was telling me about they had tracked

1195
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:04,920
the patterns they were following these

1196
00:51:07,940 --> 00:51:06,090
certain patterns they were flying

1197
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:07,950
through and that they were actually able

1198
00:51:11,510 --> 00:51:10,050
to make communications with these UFOs

1199
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:11,520
and make them do figure Eight's in the

1200
00:51:15,530 --> 00:51:13,770
sky and then this is a guy who's like

1201
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:15,540
you know a PhD guy that lectured in

1202
00:51:21,350 --> 00:51:17,490
front of the the big SETI guys had at

1203
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:21,360
one point a very reputable type guy but

1204
00:51:25,220 --> 00:51:23,610
the weird story with the Smith one was

1205
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:25,230
he giving it to this blank telex

1206
00:51:28,790 --> 00:51:26,370
operator and I always need to start with

1207
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:28,800
the blank telex operator because I there

1208
00:51:32,510 --> 00:51:30,570
was these six inside people who had

1209
00:51:34,190 --> 00:51:32,520
worked with will verse myth and one guy

1210
00:51:35,870 --> 00:51:34,200
was dying of cancer when I got hold him

1211
00:51:37,100 --> 00:51:35,880
in the 70s he wouldn't talk to me but he

1212
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:37,110
had told some stories to other people

1213
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:38,610
and I'd heard them and the one was the

1214
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:42,330
story about Wilbur Smith is running he

1215
00:51:46,070 --> 00:51:43,770
would get a lot of the stuff from Earth

1216
00:51:47,270 --> 00:51:46,080
in the middle of the night he only

1217
00:51:49,250 --> 00:51:47,280
apparently there's only two direct

1218
00:51:50,570 --> 00:51:49,260
communications of the ad but most of

1219
00:51:52,100 --> 00:51:50,580
stuff he'd wake up in the morning and he

1220
00:51:53,150 --> 00:51:52,110
said oh I was busy last night and all

1221
00:51:57,070 --> 00:51:53,160
the stuff will be written down beside

1222
00:52:00,980 --> 00:51:57,080
his bed so he had gone in they had this

1223
00:52:02,630 --> 00:52:00,990
gravity gravity control experiment which

1224
00:52:05,630 --> 00:52:02,640
would have been in the book that that

1225
00:52:06,890 --> 00:52:05,640
that Tim published where they were

1226
00:52:09,310 --> 00:52:06,900
running on this thing and they and they

1227
00:52:11,900 --> 00:52:09,320
what it was was a they would take these

1228
00:52:13,460 --> 00:52:11,910
ceramic magnets and I was actually how

1229
00:52:16,070 --> 00:52:13,470
about one of these striking the ceramic

1230
00:52:18,140 --> 00:52:16,080
magnets they used and they put him on a

1231
00:52:20,510 --> 00:52:18,150
plate and then they'd spin this plate at

1232
00:52:22,430 --> 00:52:20,520
about 17,000 revs a second creating this

1233
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:22,440
spinning magnetic field and they were

1234
00:52:26,660 --> 00:52:23,930
able to create this sort of a grey

1235
00:52:29,230 --> 00:52:26,670
anti-gravity field in with this with his

1236
00:52:31,580 --> 00:52:29,240
plate so they're running this thing and

1237
00:52:34,070 --> 00:52:31,590
the one guy who was actually in the in

1238
00:52:35,390 --> 00:52:34,080
the room when this happened had had told

1239
00:52:36,830 --> 00:52:35,400
me the story and he said they were in

1240
00:52:38,570 --> 00:52:36,840
they were in the garage this is Saturday

1241
00:52:39,740 --> 00:52:38,580
morning they're all doing this they're

1242
00:52:40,100 --> 00:52:39,750
government employees but they're doing

1243
00:52:42,410 --> 00:52:40,110
it on

1244
00:52:45,620 --> 00:52:42,420
time and they were running this

1245
00:52:47,870 --> 00:52:45,630
experiment and suddenly the phone rings

1246
00:52:50,030 --> 00:52:47,880
and this blind telex guy phones up and

1247
00:52:52,250 --> 00:52:50,040
he says I got a message from Hoffa

1248
00:52:53,900 --> 00:52:52,260
he said shield the experiment so we'll

1249
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:53,910
be okay that's it shut it down and they

1250
00:52:57,950 --> 00:52:56,010
built this brick wall around this this

1251
00:52:59,300 --> 00:52:57,960
experiment and he said the minute they

1252
00:53:01,430 --> 00:52:59,310
turned this thing on the thing sort of

1253
00:53:02,720 --> 00:53:01,440
exploded there was and Wilbur even talks

1254
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:02,730
about this in some of his papers there

1255
00:53:06,350 --> 00:53:04,890
was surrett ceramic magnets dug into the

1256
00:53:07,820 --> 00:53:06,360
wall and sub he said somebody would have

1257
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:07,830
been seriously injured that they got

1258
00:53:11,540 --> 00:53:09,810
this message from this alien so this is

1259
00:53:13,370 --> 00:53:11,550
this bizarre part of the story that we

1260
00:53:14,810 --> 00:53:13,380
never really released about Wilbur was

1261
00:53:15,970 --> 00:53:14,820
that there was he stories going on all

1262
00:53:18,230 --> 00:53:15,980
the time that he was getting these these

1263
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:18,240
interactions and the aliens were telling

1264
00:53:23,780 --> 00:53:21,330
him how to build these these coils to to

1265
00:53:26,990 --> 00:53:23,790
communicate and this gravity thing and

1266
00:53:29,290 --> 00:53:27,000
at the end he had gone to the the the

1267
00:53:34,340 --> 00:53:29,300
National Research Council in Ottawa and

1268
00:53:36,350 --> 00:53:34,350
his wife told me that he had 37 patents

1269
00:53:38,300 --> 00:53:36,360
and the Kane government had stolen 36 of

1270
00:53:40,340 --> 00:53:38,310
them they basically would come into the

1271
00:53:42,380 --> 00:53:40,350
house after he had worked on something

1272
00:53:44,510 --> 00:53:42,390
and say you're on government time you're

1273
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:44,520
and he would get credit for none of the

1274
00:53:48,710 --> 00:53:47,010
patents except for one that he filed on

1275
00:53:49,790 --> 00:53:48,720
his own and apparently about a new car

1276
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:49,800
with it and they said they were furious

1277
00:53:54,590 --> 00:53:52,290
so when this gravity control thing was

1278
00:53:56,060 --> 00:53:54,600
was ready he took it to this guy by the

1279
00:53:58,190 --> 00:53:56,070
name of dr. Rose who was with the

1280
00:53:59,480 --> 00:53:58,200
National Research Council in Ottawa and

1281
00:54:00,830 --> 00:53:59,490
he said I want to show you this

1282
00:54:02,690 --> 00:54:00,840
experiment and they said well write it

1283
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:02,700
down and Wilbur said mom and I rained it

1284
00:54:05,750 --> 00:54:03,930
down because if I write it down you're

1285
00:54:07,190 --> 00:54:05,760
gonna take it and the guy said well no

1286
00:54:08,390 --> 00:54:07,200
we're not gonna look at it National

1287
00:54:10,430 --> 00:54:08,400
Research Council and let you write it

1288
00:54:12,770 --> 00:54:10,440
down and his wife told me this story he

1289
00:54:14,300 --> 00:54:12,780
said he will Burt came home he went into

1290
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:14,310
the garage and he took the thing apart

1291
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:17,010
and she said he never ever spoke about

1292
00:54:21,650 --> 00:54:19,530
the experiment again - he died about a

1293
00:54:22,970 --> 00:54:21,660
year later she said he never ever talked

1294
00:54:25,550 --> 00:54:22,980
about it and he came in the house and he

1295
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:25,560
said it's probably better this way they

1296
00:54:28,940 --> 00:54:27,090
would just make bombs out of it anyway

1297
00:54:32,410 --> 00:54:28,950
so he actually had these these

1298
00:54:34,610 --> 00:54:32,420
breakthroughs that that that I were

1299
00:54:36,140 --> 00:54:34,620
eventually write the book on it and try

1300
00:54:37,730 --> 00:54:36,150
to spell out some of these breakthroughs

1301
00:54:39,590 --> 00:54:37,740
that he had and and these bizarre

1302
00:54:41,660 --> 00:54:39,600
stories of things that were happening

1303
00:54:43,340 --> 00:54:41,670
behind the scenes with the guy who ran

1304
00:54:44,930 --> 00:54:43,350
the Canadian government UFO program for

1305
00:54:47,150 --> 00:54:44,940
four years there's no doubt about the

1306
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:47,160
fact that he was the head guy he was and

1307
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:48,570
he was reporting according to his wife

1308
00:54:52,550 --> 00:54:49,890
he was reporting to the prime minister

1309
00:54:53,570 --> 00:54:52,560
of Canada they had gotten this alien

1310
00:54:56,630 --> 00:54:53,580
they were going to land him at

1311
00:54:58,310 --> 00:54:56,640
Aysen in sub-field alberta and that's in

1312
00:55:00,410 --> 00:54:58,320
actually in a speech that Paul Hellyer

1313
00:55:01,670 --> 00:55:00,420
gave in 67 that he confirmed that the

1314
00:55:03,230 --> 00:55:01,680
Kenyan government had opened this base

1315
00:55:05,870 --> 00:55:03,240
for UFOs to land he didn't know the

1316
00:55:07,430 --> 00:55:05,880
inside story but Wilbur Smith's wife

1317
00:55:09,410 --> 00:55:07,440
told me oh I was will burrow that he

1318
00:55:10,490 --> 00:55:09,420
they were gonna land afar there and they

1319
00:55:12,950 --> 00:55:10,500
couldn't get an agreement with the

1320
00:55:16,010 --> 00:55:12,960
government to allow it to take off again

1321
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:16,020
and Wilbur called it off so very very

1322
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:19,650
bizarre story that most people really

1323
00:55:25,310 --> 00:55:22,650
don't know and now it's being sort of

1324
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:25,320
resurrected by this guy that I was in

1325
00:55:28,820 --> 00:55:26,850
his lab it's kind of weird I was in this

1326
00:55:30,830 --> 00:55:28,830
guy's lab a number of years ago and

1327
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:30,840
suddenly he claims that he's on the

1328
00:55:34,490 --> 00:55:32,490
verge he actually does believe he's

1329
00:55:38,630 --> 00:55:34,500
going to get a signal and it's very fast

1330
00:55:39,740 --> 00:55:38,640
these scalar waves move at 10,000 times

1331
00:55:41,450 --> 00:55:39,750
the speed of light or something like

1332
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:41,460
that and I don't really understand all

1333
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:43,050
the technical stuff but he's done some

1334
00:55:48,890 --> 00:55:45,330
lectures on it and his second machine is

1335
00:55:50,450 --> 00:55:48,900
going operational next month well well

1336
00:55:53,150 --> 00:55:50,460
you know there there have been other

1337
00:55:55,460 --> 00:55:53,160
people in the both of the intelligence

1338
00:55:59,380 --> 00:55:55,470
community and in the government who have

1339
00:56:02,030 --> 00:55:59,390
had contacts but they're not widely

1340
00:56:04,190 --> 00:56:02,040
known I'm thinking of one fellow whose

1341
00:56:08,530 --> 00:56:04,200
book that we published I think his name

1342
00:56:11,180 --> 00:56:08,540
was Captain Alvin Moore oh yeah yeah he

1343
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:11,190
was Smith - yeah we talked to the

1344
00:56:16,610 --> 00:56:13,650
Canadian sure well even he even

1345
00:56:19,540 --> 00:56:16,620
supposedly had a wreckage of a piece of

1346
00:56:22,820 --> 00:56:19,550
a UFO that had been shot off during the

1347
00:56:27,740 --> 00:56:22,830
1952 UFO flap over in Washington DC and

1348
00:56:29,690 --> 00:56:27,750
he put it in in his his safe I forget

1349
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:29,700
now whether it was in his a home or in

1350
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:32,490
his office but supposedly only he had

1351
00:56:36,470 --> 00:56:33,810
the combination to the safe

1352
00:56:41,470 --> 00:56:36,480
and when he went in to retrieve the

1353
00:56:45,830 --> 00:56:41,480
fragments they had totally disappeared

1354
00:56:49,700 --> 00:56:45,840
also there was a naval intelligence

1355
00:56:52,250 --> 00:56:49,710
officer who had do you remember his name

1356
00:56:54,860 --> 00:56:52,260
up and I think New England knew him yeah

1357
00:56:57,470 --> 00:56:54,870
that was a belated - over Smith as well

1358
00:57:00,230 --> 00:56:57,480
that was a story yes Frances Swan that

1359
00:57:01,970 --> 00:57:00,240
Frances Swan was one of the key people

1360
00:57:03,530 --> 00:57:01,980
at Wilbur Smith was tracking like you

1361
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:03,540
mentioned the fact he had a bunch of

1362
00:57:06,410 --> 00:57:04,650
people who are all talking to say

1363
00:57:07,130 --> 00:57:06,420
million so Alba is so Smith was talking

1364
00:57:08,750 --> 00:57:07,140
to happen

1365
00:57:11,060 --> 00:57:08,760
but so is this Frances Swan and the

1366
00:57:13,490 --> 00:57:11,070
bizarre thing was that she lived right

1367
00:57:15,050 --> 00:57:13,500
down the street from Betty Hill like she

1368
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:15,060
lived in in Maine but she was just

1369
00:57:20,930 --> 00:57:17,370
across the river from Portsmouth where

1370
00:57:22,310 --> 00:57:20,940
Betty was and that when Betty this the

1371
00:57:25,190 --> 00:57:22,320
story was told to me and it was sort of

1372
00:57:27,500 --> 00:57:25,200
confirmed by Betty's correspondence with

1373
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:27,510
me that when Betty was first abducted

1374
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:30,410
she went to nightcap and they would

1375
00:57:35,630 --> 00:57:32,850
Kehoe said get out of here I mean

1376
00:57:37,580 --> 00:57:35,640
there's no way aliens gray aliens are

1377
00:57:38,630 --> 00:57:37,590
abducting people off roads and stuff I

1378
00:57:41,210 --> 00:57:38,640
got they wouldn't have anything to do

1379
00:57:42,980 --> 00:57:41,220
with her so Admiral Knowles was the guy

1380
00:57:45,380 --> 00:57:42,990
who lived right next door to her sink

1381
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:45,390
tightly and he was on the board of

1382
00:57:49,850 --> 00:57:47,970
directors at nightcap and so he took

1383
00:57:51,980 --> 00:57:49,860
Frances Swan

1384
00:57:53,180 --> 00:57:51,990
he took Betty Hill to Frances swans

1385
00:57:55,130 --> 00:57:53,190
place and said well this woman's in

1386
00:57:58,280 --> 00:57:55,140
contact she's channeling these aliens

1387
00:57:59,750 --> 00:57:58,290
and it was actually Francis Swan in 54

1388
00:58:01,130 --> 00:57:59,760
she was being watched by Navy

1389
00:58:04,670 --> 00:58:01,140
intelligence and she was being watched

1390
00:58:07,450 --> 00:58:04,680
by the FBI and in 59 these Navy

1391
00:58:10,310 --> 00:58:07,460
intelligence guys go down there and

1392
00:58:11,810 --> 00:58:10,320
they're talking to her and she and

1393
00:58:13,730 --> 00:58:11,820
they're talking about this AFAA and the

1394
00:58:15,290 --> 00:58:13,740
contacts and stuff and she said well

1395
00:58:17,330 --> 00:58:15,300
what I just teach you how to do it so

1396
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:17,340
this nice young guy who's a naval

1397
00:58:20,810 --> 00:58:19,050
intelligence officer and also works for

1398
00:58:22,850 --> 00:58:20,820
the CIA for the national photographic

1399
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:22,860
interpretation Center sits down and she

1400
00:58:25,820 --> 00:58:24,210
puts his hand I think on his right

1401
00:58:27,410 --> 00:58:25,830
shoulder or something and suddenly he

1402
00:58:29,390 --> 00:58:27,420
starts this automatic writing stuff and

1403
00:58:31,460 --> 00:58:29,400
he gets in contact with this after thing

1404
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:31,470
and these two Navy guys get all excited

1405
00:58:35,900 --> 00:58:33,450
they go racing back to Washington DC and

1406
00:58:38,090 --> 00:58:35,910
they go to a guy by the name of Arthur

1407
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:38,100
Lundell and Lundell was the first head

1408
00:58:43,700 --> 00:58:41,010
of the CIA weird desk the the UFO desk

1409
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:43,710
now Ron Pandolfi Ran's it before him was

1410
00:58:48,380 --> 00:58:45,770
kid green and before him was was was

1411
00:58:50,180 --> 00:58:48,390
with his niece some guy and Nisha was

1412
00:58:52,940 --> 00:58:50,190
absolutely fascinated with UFOs he was

1413
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:52,950
in he was supposedly and he told people

1414
00:58:57,920 --> 00:58:55,650
he'd briefed three presidents on UFOs so

1415
00:58:58,880 --> 00:58:57,930
they they go back to his lab the

1416
00:59:01,310 --> 00:58:58,890
national photographic interpretation

1417
00:59:03,100 --> 00:59:01,320
Center and this story is actually told

1418
00:59:06,980 --> 00:59:03,110
by Roberts friend in this documentary

1419
00:59:09,380 --> 00:59:06,990
UFO cover-up live no now UFOs past

1420
00:59:11,420 --> 00:59:09,390
present future if from the 1970s where

1421
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:11,430
Robert friend tells the story that this

1422
00:59:16,550 --> 00:59:14,490
nissim guy comes in and they sit him

1423
00:59:18,890 --> 00:59:16,560
down and of course Arthur lund all says

1424
00:59:19,370 --> 00:59:18,900
oh okay you're in contact with the

1425
00:59:20,690 --> 00:59:19,380
aliens

1426
00:59:22,700 --> 00:59:20,700
let's talk to them so

1427
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:22,710
this nishan guy sits down in this room

1428
00:59:26,780 --> 00:59:25,050
and they start this thing and arthur

1429
00:59:28,370 --> 00:59:26,790
lund all the head CIA guy the guy that

1430
00:59:30,470 --> 00:59:28,380
briefed Kennedy on the Cuban Missile

1431
00:59:33,530 --> 00:59:30,480
Crisis he was the expert on because he

1432
00:59:35,300 --> 00:59:33,540
did all the sr sr-71 all the u2

1433
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:35,310
photographs all the spy photographs he

1434
00:59:39,109 --> 00:59:37,050
was a photographic expert he's the guy

1435
00:59:41,510 --> 00:59:39,119
that briefed Kennedy on then Missile

1436
00:59:43,700 --> 00:59:41,520
Crisis so he's a into UFOs he says the

1437
00:59:45,650 --> 00:59:43,710
nation sit down let's talk to the alien

1438
00:59:47,870 --> 00:59:45,660
so they they go back and forth are you

1439
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:47,880
in favor of a certain religion and all

1440
00:59:56,060 --> 00:59:50,490
these questions and then Lundell says to

1441
00:59:57,470 --> 00:59:56,070
him okay we need more proof and then the

1442
00:59:59,569 --> 00:59:57,480
guy suddenly goes from a dogmatic

1443
01:00:01,069 --> 00:59:59,579
writing to talking and he says what do

1444
01:00:03,410 --> 01:00:01,079
you want and he said we'd like you to

1445
01:00:05,780 --> 01:00:03,420
show yourself and he said when and he

1446
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:05,790
said right now and then the this need

1447
01:00:09,829 --> 01:00:07,890
this guy this channelling or he's

1448
01:00:11,630 --> 01:00:09,839
talking now says go to the window and

1449
01:00:13,819 --> 01:00:11,640
these people go to the window and this

1450
01:00:15,530 --> 01:00:13,829
flying saucer flies by and right over

1451
01:00:17,510 --> 01:00:15,540
top of the Capitol and they get all

1452
01:00:19,790 --> 01:00:17,520
excited and they call in robert friend

1453
01:00:21,740 --> 01:00:19,800
emergency meeting top secret emergency

1454
01:00:23,390 --> 01:00:21,750
meeting two days later and friend goes

1455
01:00:26,180 --> 01:00:23,400
in there and they put this guy into

1456
01:00:27,859 --> 01:00:26,190
trance again and and friend said it was

1457
01:00:29,270 --> 01:00:27,869
the most dramatic thing he'd ever seen

1458
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:29,280
in blue book he said there's no doubt

1459
01:00:33,079 --> 01:00:31,170
this guy was talking to somebody's

1460
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:33,089
Adam's apple was bouncing up and down

1461
01:00:36,500 --> 01:00:34,890
but that day when they said show

1462
01:00:38,210 --> 01:00:36,510
yourself he said the time isn't right

1463
01:00:40,250 --> 01:00:38,220
and and the alien didn't show himself

1464
01:00:42,260 --> 01:00:40,260
but that there's a lot of documents on

1465
01:00:43,910 --> 01:00:42,270
this Frances Swann and she was she was

1466
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:43,920
the one that was basically being a lot

1467
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:46,650
of stuff to will to Wilbur Smith and so

1468
01:00:49,819 --> 01:00:48,210
you you get these stories that most

1469
01:00:51,500 --> 01:00:49,829
people really don't know that this was

1470
01:00:53,540 --> 01:00:51,510
going on behind the scenes with these

1471
01:00:55,430 --> 01:00:53,550
very high-level government people I you

1472
01:00:57,650 --> 01:00:55,440
know I even had even had part of the

1473
01:00:59,660 --> 01:00:57,660
fragment I think of that the object that

1474
01:01:06,260 --> 01:00:59,670
they had found in the in the in the

1475
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:06,270
river of course say well well you know

1476
01:01:09,980 --> 01:01:08,130
over 50 years but ask me where

1477
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:09,990
everything is well we had we had a

1478
01:01:14,510 --> 01:01:12,690
fellow that was actually we work

1479
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:14,520
together his name was Harold Sulkin and

1480
01:01:20,809 --> 01:01:17,970
he was kind of the the publicist for the

1481
01:01:23,690 --> 01:01:20,819
UFO community in fact we had our own

1482
01:01:27,980 --> 01:01:23,700
little PR agency here in New York we had

1483
01:01:30,710 --> 01:01:27,990
paid to clients like Peter Max and Oh a

1484
01:01:32,780 --> 01:01:30,720
couple of musicians and and all and then

1485
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:32,790
we did a lot of stuff for free for the

1486
01:01:37,249 --> 01:01:34,650
UFO community heat

1487
01:01:40,549 --> 01:01:37,259
he ran the little listening post that of

1488
01:01:43,579 --> 01:01:40,559
Washington DC which was kind of the the

1489
01:01:47,319 --> 01:01:43,589
hub of UFO activities back in the I

1490
01:01:50,930 --> 01:01:47,329
guess late 50s and 60s it was run by a

1491
01:01:54,259 --> 01:01:50,940
lady buddy McLaren John who I believe a

1492
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:54,269
co-authored or ghost wrote well inside

1493
01:02:00,349 --> 01:01:57,210
the the spaceships and anytime anybody

1494
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:00,359
was passing through Washington DC they

1495
01:02:05,839 --> 01:02:02,490
stayed at the little listening post

1496
01:02:07,789 --> 01:02:05,849
which was a you know at to just a house

1497
01:02:10,190 --> 01:02:07,799
but they call it the little listening

1498
01:02:13,460 --> 01:02:10,200
post they had a couple of guest rooms

1499
01:02:16,910 --> 01:02:13,470
and and stuff like that because you know

1500
01:02:18,529 --> 01:02:16,920
people think oh these UFO contactees and

1501
01:02:20,269 --> 01:02:18,539
all they they made a fortune well they

1502
01:02:24,079 --> 01:02:20,279
traveled from city to city on that

1503
01:02:25,970 --> 01:02:24,089
Greyhound bus you know I I don't you

1504
01:02:28,279 --> 01:02:25,980
know I can't vouch for all their stories

1505
01:02:31,849 --> 01:02:28,289
necessarily but I don't think anybody

1506
01:02:34,069 --> 01:02:31,859
Buck Nelson certainly never got rich by

1507
01:02:38,509 --> 01:02:34,079
selling the hairs of his literal lid or

1508
01:02:40,099 --> 01:02:38,519
what was Martian dog boo yeah I don't

1509
01:02:45,499 --> 01:02:40,109
think they still think we're getting

1510
01:02:48,349 --> 01:02:45,509
rich I think you're a millionaire well I

1511
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:48,359
I have I have something to tell them if

1512
01:02:53,529 --> 01:02:51,210
I were yeah that's that's silly I I

1513
01:02:55,970 --> 01:02:53,539
don't know if anybody's ever gotten

1514
01:02:57,380 --> 01:02:55,980
exceedingly wealthy off of this I mean

1515
01:03:00,859 --> 01:02:57,390
there have been a couple of authors that

1516
01:03:03,589 --> 01:03:00,869
maybe once every 10 or 15 years somebody

1517
01:03:06,079 --> 01:03:03,599
you know it's a book that sells are

1518
01:03:08,779 --> 01:03:06,089
fairly well and then another 10 or 15

1519
01:03:10,430 --> 01:03:08,789
years go by and then nothing and I don't

1520
01:03:12,829 --> 01:03:10,440
think that's I doubt if that will happen

1521
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:12,839
again anywhere will ever make any money

1522
01:03:17,900 --> 01:03:15,930
doing a book it's kind of like that joke

1523
01:03:20,299 --> 01:03:17,910
what do you do if you're a ufologist and

1524
01:03:24,529 --> 01:03:20,309
you win a million dollars just just keep

1525
01:03:26,059 --> 01:03:24,539
researching until the money's gone and

1526
01:03:30,249 --> 01:03:26,069
I'm sure a lot of people have lost their

1527
01:03:33,799 --> 01:03:30,259
their their fortunes and families and

1528
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:33,809
livelihoods people have gotten fired and

1529
01:03:39,079 --> 01:03:37,170
yeah and of a couple of police officers

1530
01:03:41,089 --> 01:03:39,089
and all because they witnessed this hey

1531
01:03:46,130 --> 01:03:41,099
you know who I always thought might have

1532
01:03:48,859 --> 01:03:46,140
been a silent contactee is Jimmy Carter

1533
01:03:50,450 --> 01:03:48,869
there's yeah I mean we all know that he

1534
01:03:53,509 --> 01:03:50,460
had the sighting outside of what was it

1535
01:03:56,420 --> 01:03:53,519
the Lions the meeting or something there

1536
01:03:58,609 --> 01:03:56,430
in Georgia but what people don't realize

1537
01:04:01,190 --> 01:03:58,619
is oh it was the planet Venus and even

1538
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:01,200
he seems to have a cop for that in

1539
01:04:05,809 --> 01:04:03,210
recent years but but there was a whole

1540
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:05,819
flap that was going on in the town that

1541
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:11,130
he lived in at the the time including a

1542
01:04:15,710 --> 01:04:13,890
couple UFO landings because there was a

1543
01:04:20,059 --> 01:04:15,720
fellow who had started doing a

1544
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:20,069
documentary on on Carters a UFO sighting

1545
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:21,930
and I guess it never got through but

1546
01:04:26,329 --> 01:04:24,690
there's a finish there completed but

1547
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:26,339
there's a trailer to it there and they

1548
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:28,650
interview other people who had sightings

1549
01:04:35,089 --> 01:04:32,730
during a you know 2 or 3 day period and

1550
01:04:38,420 --> 01:04:35,099
of course there's that famous a

1551
01:04:40,430 --> 01:04:38,430
photograph that you found in the

1552
01:04:43,039 --> 01:04:40,440
Presidential Library that I knew about

1553
01:04:45,499 --> 01:04:43,049
even before that where the UFO appears

1554
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:45,509
to be following his helicopter over

1555
01:04:49,039 --> 01:04:47,730
Panama yeah yeah now you know I actually

1556
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:49,049
talked to the woman who took the

1557
01:04:52,579 --> 01:04:50,970
photograph back in those days so you

1558
01:04:55,249 --> 01:04:52,589
could imagine how much a long distance

1559
01:04:57,529 --> 01:04:55,259
phone call the Panama was back yeah back

1560
01:05:00,200 --> 01:04:57,539
then but but I I talked to her I mean

1561
01:05:01,309 --> 01:05:00,210
she seemed very sincere about it she

1562
01:05:03,099 --> 01:05:01,319
didn't say oh it's a you know

1563
01:05:06,229 --> 01:05:03,109
extraterrestrial craft but here's the

1564
01:05:08,690 --> 01:05:06,239
the the photograph and and the thing

1565
01:05:11,599 --> 01:05:08,700
that really irks me grant is that

1566
01:05:15,009 --> 01:05:11,609
somebody who was a representative of

1567
01:05:18,079 --> 01:05:15,019
MUFON had gotten in touch with me and

1568
01:05:21,259 --> 01:05:18,089
actually had a full-length book

1569
01:05:24,410 --> 01:05:21,269
manuscript on that and other encounters

1570
01:05:27,460 --> 01:05:24,420
over a Panama that involves the in the

1571
01:05:29,930 --> 01:05:27,470
President and I didn't publish it

1572
01:05:32,390 --> 01:05:29,940
because I didn't I I don't know why I

1573
01:05:35,599 --> 01:05:32,400
didn't publish it I just I didn't think

1574
01:05:36,829 --> 01:05:35,609
it would sell to be honest with you or

1575
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:36,839
something I don't know but anyway I

1576
01:05:41,150 --> 01:05:39,210
didn't publish it and and the manuscript

1577
01:05:43,009 --> 01:05:41,160
has been lost all the time because I

1578
01:05:45,739 --> 01:05:43,019
don't know who the representative in

1579
01:05:48,799 --> 01:05:45,749
Panama was for MUFON at the time but

1580
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:48,809
there's the the Matt you know 200 page

1581
01:05:53,539 --> 01:05:51,210
manuscript written on a you know a

1582
01:05:56,029 --> 01:05:53,549
Emanuel Remington ran or something

1583
01:05:57,559 --> 01:05:56,039
floating around somewhere somebody has

1584
01:05:59,599 --> 01:05:57,569
it I'm sure stuck in their attic or

1585
01:06:02,779 --> 01:05:59,609
basement or whatever and

1586
01:06:03,319 --> 01:06:02,789
now now I would publish it yeah no

1587
01:06:05,930 --> 01:06:03,329
kidding

1588
01:06:07,519 --> 01:06:05,940
we're here so 5,000 copies in those days

1589
01:06:11,479 --> 01:06:07,529
they always sell 50 but what are you

1590
01:06:13,099 --> 01:06:11,489
gonna do yeah yeah exactly and and so

1591
01:06:15,499 --> 01:06:13,109
that that's a I always say that with

1592
01:06:17,029 --> 01:06:15,509
like with UFO sightings like same ways

1593
01:06:20,380 --> 01:06:17,039
we're at Reagan Reagan at two sightings

1594
01:06:23,299 --> 01:06:20,390
and Shirley MacLaine claimed that

1595
01:06:24,469 --> 01:06:23,309
Lucille Ball told her that the second

1596
01:06:26,479 --> 01:06:24,479
one was an actual encounter with an

1597
01:06:27,799 --> 01:06:26,489
alien it wasn't just a sighting the one

1598
01:06:29,989 --> 01:06:27,809
that where he was going to the cocktail

1599
01:06:31,370 --> 01:06:29,999
party in Los Angeles and and that's

1600
01:06:33,140 --> 01:06:31,380
where I would say to people like would

1601
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:33,150
they say oh I haven't been abducted but

1602
01:06:36,319 --> 01:06:35,130
I I just had a sighting and I say you

1603
01:06:38,479 --> 01:06:36,329
realize you're part of the game though

1604
01:06:40,609 --> 01:06:38,489
because you know when when they abduct

1605
01:06:42,589 --> 01:06:40,619
people they cloak themselves they don't

1606
01:06:44,539 --> 01:06:42,599
see they don't see them so when you see

1607
01:06:46,309 --> 01:06:44,549
them they intend you to see them you're

1608
01:06:47,719 --> 01:06:46,319
part of the game like why do you have

1609
01:06:49,130 --> 01:06:47,729
hoes of lights on them so you can see

1610
01:06:50,690 --> 01:06:49,140
them they want you to see them you're

1611
01:06:53,029 --> 01:06:50,700
part of the game if you and that's the

1612
01:06:55,069 --> 01:06:53,039
thing with Jimmy Carter and that's maybe

1613
01:06:57,259 --> 01:06:55,079
one of the scary parts is you started

1614
01:07:01,370 --> 01:06:57,269
looking at the fact that if him and

1615
01:07:02,900 --> 01:07:01,380
Reagan were were contactees I mean were

1616
01:07:04,519 --> 01:07:02,910
they actually running the you know

1617
01:07:06,829 --> 01:07:04,529
putting ideas and running the government

1618
01:07:09,019 --> 01:07:06,839
and the other one is is this Jim semi

1619
01:07:12,289 --> 01:07:09,029
van guy who runs Tom DeLong's operation

1620
01:07:14,689 --> 01:07:12,299
I heard a story and I'm pretty sure the

1621
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:14,699
story is true is that he stated that one

1622
01:07:17,900 --> 01:07:16,170
of the presidents have been abducted and

1623
01:07:19,279 --> 01:07:17,910
that they actually shut a news

1624
01:07:20,779 --> 01:07:19,289
conference down they actually froze

1625
01:07:22,849 --> 01:07:20,789
everybody in the news conference and

1626
01:07:24,049 --> 01:07:22,859
they took the president and of course

1627
01:07:25,489 --> 01:07:24,059
the president was only one node knew

1628
01:07:26,689 --> 01:07:25,499
that he'd been abducted and he was

1629
01:07:29,539 --> 01:07:26,699
brought back now they didn't mention

1630
01:07:31,189 --> 01:07:29,549
which president it was but the writ and

1631
01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:31,199
apparently the reason they had done it

1632
01:07:35,150 --> 01:07:33,690
was just to show who's in charge that

1633
01:07:36,529 --> 01:07:35,160
they can they can do this kind of stuff

1634
01:07:38,660 --> 01:07:36,539
that we are we are still running the

1635
01:07:40,430 --> 01:07:38,670
show and one of the stories I'd heard is

1636
01:07:42,559 --> 01:07:40,440
John Alexander had gone to the semi van

1637
01:07:44,180 --> 01:07:42,569
guy and John will deny this but I was

1638
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:44,190
told he went to him and he said to the

1639
01:07:47,359 --> 01:07:46,170
semi van guy semi van was saying all

1640
01:07:49,069 --> 01:07:47,369
this stuff's all for real and he was

1641
01:07:50,809 --> 01:07:49,079
saying okay so so who's who's in charge

1642
01:07:51,949 --> 01:07:50,819
here is running it because John always

1643
01:07:53,180 --> 01:07:51,959
said he could never find anybody in

1644
01:07:55,370 --> 01:07:53,190
high-level government they would admit

1645
01:07:57,259 --> 01:07:55,380
this and he said they are they are in

1646
01:07:58,880 --> 01:07:57,269
charge and when he writes the the

1647
01:08:00,170 --> 01:07:58,890
foreword to Tom DeLong's book because

1648
01:08:02,029 --> 01:08:00,180
he's an experiencer himself this

1649
01:08:04,729 --> 01:08:02,039
high-level he was a briefer for the

1650
01:08:06,709 --> 01:08:04,739
president up until 2008 and he had the

1651
01:08:11,209 --> 01:08:06,719
beings in his room in the 1990s with his

1652
01:08:13,250 --> 01:08:11,219
wife so he's not a evil cabal guy

1653
01:08:15,380 --> 01:08:13,260
he's a guy who's an experiencer he

1654
01:08:17,660 --> 01:08:15,390
in high-level government and when he

1655
01:08:20,420 --> 01:08:17,670
writes in Tom DeLong's forward he says

1656
01:08:22,940 --> 01:08:20,430
this idea that we can measure this is

1657
01:08:24,260 --> 01:08:22,950
totally laughable he said how do you

1658
01:08:27,110 --> 01:08:24,270
define something where there does not

1659
01:08:28,550 --> 01:08:27,120
appear to be any bear there this has got

1660
01:08:30,440 --> 01:08:28,560
to do with consciousness this has got to

1661
01:08:31,849 --> 01:08:30,450
do with multidimensionality and he

1662
01:08:34,039 --> 01:08:31,859
basically spells out that it absolutely

1663
01:08:35,480 --> 01:08:34,049
when he had his sighting this experience

1664
01:08:38,420 --> 01:08:35,490
he doesn't go into details in the book

1665
01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:38,430
what happened but he said when I had my

1666
01:08:43,190 --> 01:08:40,770
encounter he said it shattered my view

1667
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:43,200
of reality and so that's where I sort of

1668
01:08:48,079 --> 01:08:45,810
go now is that this thing is it may have

1669
01:08:50,030 --> 01:08:48,089
an ET component but it is much more

1670
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:50,040
complex than anybody's ever going to

1671
01:08:53,599 --> 01:08:51,810
imagine it's just unbelievable and you

1672
01:08:57,200 --> 01:08:53,609
start looking at what's going on it's

1673
01:08:58,910 --> 01:08:57,210
very very complex the intelligence and

1674
01:09:00,050 --> 01:08:58,920
they're like miles ahead of us people

1675
01:09:02,539 --> 01:09:00,060
who say they've got all this technology

1676
01:09:04,460 --> 01:09:02,549
they do not have this type there's no

1677
01:09:06,380 --> 01:09:04,470
way they have this this technology that

1678
01:09:09,019 --> 01:09:06,390
that some of the people are describing

1679
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:09,029
to me well what would it what is the

1680
01:09:14,749 --> 01:09:10,170
endgame here

1681
01:09:15,890 --> 01:09:14,759
I mean is it ever going to I mean you

1682
01:09:17,390 --> 01:09:15,900
know people that I know that have been

1683
01:09:19,700 --> 01:09:17,400
the few people that are left that have

1684
01:09:21,829 --> 01:09:19,710
been involved in this for 50 years they

1685
01:09:25,700 --> 01:09:21,839
were they were they were all expecting a

1686
01:09:28,550 --> 01:09:25,710
quick and easy answer and of course most

1687
01:09:32,450 --> 01:09:28,560
of them they have been there passed away

1688
01:09:35,030 --> 01:09:32,460
I'm honest or they have been silenced by

1689
01:09:38,059 --> 01:09:35,040
their wives and their relatives or or

1690
01:09:41,599 --> 01:09:38,069
they've they've just given up in in

1691
01:09:44,300 --> 01:09:41,609
utter disgust because there's nothing

1692
01:09:46,849 --> 01:09:44,310
you know how far can you take it but you

1693
01:09:47,420 --> 01:09:46,859
know what I always say hey all I know is

1694
01:09:49,579 --> 01:09:47,430
what I know

1695
01:09:50,930 --> 01:09:49,589
and some people are not meant to know

1696
01:09:53,630 --> 01:09:50,940
you know some people were not just

1697
01:09:55,370 --> 01:09:53,640
plugged into this and and and you know

1698
01:09:57,650 --> 01:09:55,380
they're content to sit there and watch

1699
01:09:59,900 --> 01:09:57,660
you know the football game and have a

1700
01:10:02,030 --> 01:09:59,910
six-pack and enjoy their lives of that

1701
01:10:05,090 --> 01:10:02,040
that's fine there too and and some

1702
01:10:07,370 --> 01:10:05,100
people are like us or have been given a

1703
01:10:09,770 --> 01:10:07,380
life sentence that's what Jerry Clark

1704
01:10:12,020 --> 01:10:09,780
always says that that's Jerry Clark's

1705
01:10:13,430 --> 01:10:12,030
favorite statement is that he didn't

1706
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:13,440
think when he got involved in this at

1707
01:10:18,140 --> 01:10:15,690
fifteen or sixteen years old that it

1708
01:10:20,300 --> 01:10:18,150
would be a life sentence to use that one

1709
01:10:22,790 --> 01:10:20,310
that's good yeah that's that's basically

1710
01:10:24,980 --> 01:10:22,800
and for myself I'm much much more

1711
01:10:26,480 --> 01:10:24,990
certain that I have an idea what's going

1712
01:10:28,670 --> 01:10:26,490
on and stuff and

1713
01:10:30,590 --> 01:10:28,680
and we don't have time but I as we got a

1714
01:10:33,650 --> 01:10:30,600
no no we got one more break and then we

1715
01:10:35,410 --> 01:10:33,660
have some more time oh the story that

1716
01:10:38,630 --> 01:10:35,420
I've come into now it's this

1717
01:10:43,220 --> 01:10:38,640
synchronistic story with the the Charlie

1718
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:43,230
red star thing that the the the the what

1719
01:10:47,450 --> 01:10:45,570
there's a movie deal that they want to

1720
01:10:49,220 --> 01:10:47,460
do a movie on this thing and the option

1721
01:10:50,630 --> 01:10:49,230
in my book and stuff and it had to do it

1722
01:10:53,060 --> 01:10:50,640
was going to be tied in with this Rama

1723
01:10:54,980 --> 01:10:53,070
group the interview ever dealt with them

1724
01:10:58,070 --> 01:10:54,990
out of Peru they were to contact these

1725
01:11:00,230 --> 01:10:58,080
brothers yes six to pause or something

1726
01:11:02,450 --> 01:11:00,240
yeah and and his brother who became a

1727
01:11:05,510 --> 01:11:02,460
woman who lives now in in Toronto Canada

1728
01:11:06,590 --> 01:11:05,520
but they so this is they want to do this

1729
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:06,600
story about these cut these two

1730
01:11:11,420 --> 01:11:08,610
contactee brothers and they were gonna

1731
01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:11,430
option my book and then after the book

1732
01:11:15,380 --> 01:11:13,890
is published I get dragged into the same

1733
01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:15,390
aliens it's like I couldn't believe it

1734
01:11:19,670 --> 01:11:17,130
that I got a message a phone message

1735
01:11:20,900 --> 01:11:19,680
from an alien it was like just like so

1736
01:11:23,060 --> 01:11:20,910
maybe we can talk about that in the last

1737
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:23,070
little bit and that and that's one of

1738
01:11:26,330 --> 01:11:24,210
the best pieces I've ever come across

1739
01:11:28,310 --> 01:11:26,340
all right well we will we will be back

1740
01:11:31,130 --> 01:11:28,320
in just a couple of minutes unless the

1741
01:11:33,140 --> 01:11:31,140
aliens come and take his place now back

1742
01:11:35,470 --> 01:11:33,150
to exploring the bazaars

1743
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:35,480
with two of the most electrifying

1744
01:11:43,190 --> 01:11:38,610
researchers in the Paranoid your hosts

1745
01:11:48,100 --> 01:11:43,200
Timothy Becky link and team Schwartz

1746
01:11:51,050 --> 01:11:48,110
oh I always get a charge out of that

1747
01:11:52,970 --> 01:11:51,060
Harry our final segment of the show Tim

1748
01:11:55,310 --> 01:11:52,980
and I think that we could go another

1749
01:11:57,830 --> 01:11:55,320
five hours with Grant

1750
01:12:01,040 --> 01:11:57,840
I'm right now channeling the spirit of

1751
01:12:03,620 --> 01:12:01,050
Long John Neville and we're negotiating

1752
01:12:05,750 --> 01:12:03,630
about the pastrami sandwiches once we

1753
01:12:08,540 --> 01:12:05,760
get that down Tina will give us another

1754
01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:08,550
three hours here I could go for a

1755
01:12:12,980 --> 01:12:10,890
pastrami sandwich right about especially

1756
01:12:16,300 --> 01:12:12,990
from especially from Sarge's deli

1757
01:12:19,130 --> 01:12:16,310
they're like two feet thick you know

1758
01:12:23,690 --> 01:12:19,140
with sauerkraut man they are so salty

1759
01:12:26,390 --> 01:12:23,700
but the pickles are great too I I've I

1760
01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:26,400
can feel my arteries clogging up just

1761
01:12:36,170 --> 01:12:30,090
thank you Bob might have already clogged

1762
01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:36,180
up so why should I think that we should

1763
01:12:40,990 --> 01:12:39,330
let grant finish the story that we had

1764
01:12:44,090 --> 01:12:41,000
to interrupt him as we went to the break

1765
01:12:45,080 --> 01:12:44,100
yeah this story that I think is one of

1766
01:12:46,820 --> 01:12:45,090
the best stories I've ever come across

1767
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:46,830
and it goes back to the old days of the

1768
01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:48,690
contactees because as you probably know

1769
01:12:52,850 --> 01:12:50,850
the contactees were the 50s and then the

1770
01:12:54,950 --> 01:12:52,860
Betty and Barney came along and suddenly

1771
01:12:56,390 --> 01:12:54,960
the contact he's all sort of faded into

1772
01:12:57,800 --> 01:12:56,400
the background and suddenly it was grays

1773
01:13:00,500 --> 01:12:57,810
and then it was reptilians and

1774
01:13:05,180 --> 01:13:00,510
insectoids and all this kind of stuff

1775
01:13:06,950 --> 01:13:05,190
and and so these South American has has

1776
01:13:10,280 --> 01:13:06,960
a lot of these contactees and one guy's

1777
01:13:13,490 --> 01:13:10,290
name is Ricardo Gonzalez so this goes

1778
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:13,500
back to he was he got involved in 77 I

1779
01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:15,930
think it sighting and he claims to have

1780
01:13:21,530 --> 01:13:19,050
these these contacts with a alien by the

1781
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:21,540
name of an Terrell and the key

1782
01:13:25,250 --> 01:13:23,850
connection is that an Terrell is from

1783
01:13:29,300 --> 01:13:25,260
the same planet

1784
01:13:30,470 --> 01:13:29,310
appoo that the Rama people were talking

1785
01:13:31,670 --> 01:13:30,480
to the aliens from and they were

1786
01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:31,680
different aliens but they're from the

1787
01:13:38,510 --> 01:13:33,810
same planet so anyway when my book is

1788
01:13:39,770 --> 01:13:38,520
this this producer TV producer gets my

1789
01:13:43,610 --> 01:13:39,780
book published

1790
01:13:45,440 --> 01:13:43,620
she options my book for this movie on

1791
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:45,450
Rama and they couldn't get it financed

1792
01:13:47,900 --> 01:13:46,890
in Canada so what they were going to do

1793
01:13:50,690 --> 01:13:47,910
is they're going to drag in the Charlie

1794
01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:50,700
Red Star story and so the guy would go

1795
01:13:54,260 --> 01:13:52,890
to to Carmen this town where all this

1796
01:13:55,580 --> 01:13:54,270
stuff happened and then he would

1797
01:13:56,459 --> 01:13:55,590
suddenly discover Rama and he would go

1798
01:13:58,470 --> 01:13:56,469
down and and they

1799
01:14:02,250 --> 01:13:58,480
do the Rama's story that's the main part

1800
01:14:04,020 --> 01:14:02,260
of the movie and so she had this option

1801
01:14:06,870 --> 01:14:04,030
to everything and they had the script

1802
01:14:08,310 --> 01:14:06,880
and she actually just saw the teaser one

1803
01:14:09,510 --> 01:14:08,320
half minute teaser that and it look like

1804
01:14:11,910 --> 01:14:09,520
start it looked like Close Encounters

1805
01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:11,920
like a real eye and movie that they were

1806
01:14:15,090 --> 01:14:13,690
gonna do on this thing and then she sort

1807
01:14:16,500 --> 01:14:15,100
of put it on the shelf they were there's

1808
01:14:18,330 --> 01:14:16,510
all these fighting inside this through

1809
01:14:19,890 --> 01:14:18,340
this Rama group and stuff so she puts it

1810
01:14:22,860 --> 01:14:19,900
on the shelf and I'm not really

1811
01:14:25,470 --> 01:14:22,870
interested in the the Rama story

1812
01:14:27,810 --> 01:14:25,480
couldn't care less whatever and so the

1813
01:14:29,550 --> 01:14:27,820
book gets published and the book it was

1814
01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:29,560
gonna coincide with the movie the movie

1815
01:14:33,030 --> 01:14:30,610
disc about but the book gets published

1816
01:14:36,030 --> 01:14:33,040
and it's out there and then I'm going to

1817
01:14:38,340 --> 01:14:36,040
this event one of the girls that helps

1818
01:14:39,900 --> 01:14:38,350
me edit some stuff she's from LA her

1819
01:14:42,120 --> 01:14:39,910
name is Katerina and she wanted me to go

1820
01:14:44,490 --> 01:14:42,130
to this thing at Mount Shasta and it's a

1821
01:14:45,750 --> 01:14:44,500
meditation for world peace and you know

1822
01:14:48,870 --> 01:14:45,760
I'm not against meditation or anything

1823
01:14:50,550 --> 01:14:48,880
but I you know whatever and so I she's

1824
01:14:51,930 --> 01:14:50,560
always helped me outside okay Katarina

1825
01:14:53,820 --> 01:14:51,940
I'll come to you this meditation thing

1826
01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:53,830
I'll go there so I got this girl and

1827
01:14:57,330 --> 01:14:55,090
we're traveling across the United States

1828
01:14:59,070 --> 01:14:57,340
and it's like a 40 hour drive we're

1829
01:15:02,400 --> 01:14:59,080
coming through Nevada and this girl's

1830
01:15:04,020 --> 01:15:02,410
phone rings cell phone rings and it's

1831
01:15:06,510 --> 01:15:04,030
Katarina who looks works in a law office

1832
01:15:09,570 --> 01:15:06,520
in Los Angeles so she's reading this off

1833
01:15:11,130 --> 01:15:09,580
like it's a like a legal tax issues at

1834
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:11,140
twelve thirteen I got a phone call from

1835
01:15:15,959 --> 01:15:12,610
Paul Harris

1836
01:15:18,660 --> 01:15:15,969
this message is came through Ricardo

1837
01:15:20,790 --> 01:15:18,670
Gonzalez who's the contactee from an

1838
01:15:24,810 --> 01:15:20,800
Terrell he knows that grant is coming to

1839
01:15:25,979 --> 01:15:24,820
the mountain and he he's to know that

1840
01:15:27,780 --> 01:15:25,989
Saturday night there's going to be a

1841
01:15:31,260 --> 01:15:27,790
programmed event at the mountain and

1842
01:15:36,660 --> 01:15:31,270
he's to let people know so they had

1843
01:15:38,220 --> 01:15:36,670
actually this had happened in 2013 with

1844
01:15:39,930 --> 01:15:38,230
with Michael Salah there was a

1845
01:15:42,540 --> 01:15:39,940
programmed event when he went there and

1846
01:15:44,820 --> 01:15:42,550
this thing flew by then 2014 is where

1847
01:15:46,590 --> 01:15:44,830
the big story comes from 2014 they have

1848
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:46,600
the planned event they have the two UFOs

1849
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:48,850
in like in parallel flying through the

1850
01:15:53,189 --> 01:15:51,130
sky and then you have this Xandra this

1851
01:15:54,780 --> 01:15:53,199
portal thing in the forest they go they

1852
01:15:56,760 --> 01:15:54,790
find the Xandra they bring all these

1853
01:15:59,040 --> 01:15:56,770
people and there are 11 witnesses who

1854
01:16:00,390 --> 01:15:59,050
are actually in this Xandra type thing

1855
01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:00,400
where they're face-to-face with this

1856
01:16:04,740 --> 01:16:03,370
alien so I I get this message and I'm

1857
01:16:06,810 --> 01:16:04,750
thinking oh man maybe I'll get to

1858
01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:06,820
actually see an alien here and I didn't

1859
01:16:10,260 --> 01:16:08,410
there was a program to vent exactly when

1860
01:16:12,330 --> 01:16:10,270
they said it was 933

1861
01:16:14,070 --> 01:16:12,340
it was very bizarre it was this flashing

1862
01:16:15,420 --> 01:16:14,080
this flashing light that never moved it

1863
01:16:16,860 --> 01:16:15,430
was in the same spot all the time and

1864
01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:16,870
stuff and I thought it was pretty weird

1865
01:16:21,150 --> 01:16:19,210
but I started to interview people

1866
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:21,160
I had heard I knew Paul Harris very well

1867
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:22,810
she'd had she was involved in both the

1868
01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:26,890
2014 event and the 2015 event so I said

1869
01:16:31,350 --> 01:16:28,690
to her I said Paula can can you show me

1870
01:16:33,090 --> 01:16:31,360
where this 2014 event so I got the

1871
01:16:35,070 --> 01:16:33,100
camera running got this video camera and

1872
01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:35,080
so we start walking across this field to

1873
01:16:38,670 --> 01:16:36,850
the forest and then she's describing

1874
01:16:40,380 --> 01:16:38,680
this and this woman was standing here I

1875
01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:40,390
was standing here the alien was right

1876
01:16:44,370 --> 01:16:42,850
there by this tree and it's like like 30

1877
01:16:46,560 --> 01:16:44,380
feet away or whatever it's like right

1878
01:16:47,820 --> 01:16:46,570
there and that there's this fog was

1879
01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:47,830
coming off the ground this was the

1880
01:16:51,570 --> 01:16:49,690
Zandra we had to hold hands until we got

1881
01:16:53,430 --> 01:16:51,580
through the fog and when you see it on

1882
01:16:55,380 --> 01:16:53,440
video it's like very riveting because

1883
01:16:57,660 --> 01:16:55,390
she's a 20-some minute video she

1884
01:16:58,890 --> 01:16:57,670
describes and then we go to the 2015

1885
01:17:00,570 --> 01:16:58,900
place where they where the thing came

1886
01:17:02,550 --> 01:17:00,580
down and then it was a hologram there

1887
01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:02,560
was all these nine witnesses who were

1888
01:17:06,210 --> 01:17:04,090
there and there was these little tiny

1889
01:17:07,830 --> 01:17:06,220
beings with these large heads that one

1890
01:17:09,780 --> 01:17:07,840
woman described to me they were carrying

1891
01:17:11,010 --> 01:17:09,790
these iPads and they were poking out

1892
01:17:12,630 --> 01:17:11,020
from behind the trees they were playing

1893
01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:12,640
like hide-and-go-seek behind the trees

1894
01:17:18,510 --> 01:17:14,170
so had these small aliens than these

1895
01:17:20,910 --> 01:17:18,520
tall 9 9 plus foot aliens in in the the

1896
01:17:22,130 --> 01:17:20,920
forest and I start videotaping and all

1897
01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:22,140
these people are there and they're all

1898
01:17:26,040 --> 01:17:24,970
Spanish and most of can't speak English

1899
01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:26,050
so a lot of them didn't want to go on

1900
01:17:29,460 --> 01:17:27,970
camera and I start running around

1901
01:17:31,230 --> 01:17:29,470
starting any of you Indies people and

1902
01:17:33,270 --> 01:17:31,240
it's like did you see this thing - yo

1903
01:17:34,590 --> 01:17:33,280
yeah wait would you see oh it's this

1904
01:17:36,390 --> 01:17:34,600
alien he was standing there and he had

1905
01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:36,400
sparks coming off his chest and the

1906
01:17:39,570 --> 01:17:37,810
other one say it's got sparks coming off

1907
01:17:41,370 --> 01:17:39,580
it's just I'm going like I can't believe

1908
01:17:44,130 --> 01:17:41,380
this story has not been published I

1909
01:17:46,170 --> 01:17:44,140
couldn't believe it like the one had 11

1910
01:17:48,030 --> 01:17:46,180
witnesses and these people none of them

1911
01:17:49,350 --> 01:17:48,040
have ever told her story in fact Paula

1912
01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:49,360
Harris was doing one of the interviews

1913
01:17:51,780 --> 01:17:50,650
for me she was interviewing this guy she

1914
01:17:52,920 --> 01:17:51,790
says this is the first time I ever

1915
01:17:54,120 --> 01:17:52,930
talked to this guy but none of these

1916
01:17:55,650 --> 01:17:54,130
people have ever told this story and

1917
01:17:57,510 --> 01:17:55,660
they're all on the record that they were

1918
01:17:59,760 --> 01:17:57,520
actually in this this thing and I'm

1919
01:18:02,220 --> 01:17:59,770
thinking like wow this is just an

1920
01:18:04,440 --> 01:18:02,230
amazing story like Reynolds from Forrest

1921
01:18:05,790 --> 01:18:04,450
you have two guys close up to a UFO and

1922
01:18:07,710 --> 01:18:05,800
a touch of UFO on it's a big story here

1923
01:18:11,070 --> 01:18:07,720
you have 11 witnesses and they're all

1924
01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:11,080
very credible witnesses there you know

1925
01:18:15,390 --> 01:18:12,610
except for their ability to speak

1926
01:18:16,710 --> 01:18:15,400
English and they're all like when I went

1927
01:18:18,480 --> 01:18:16,720
they were all sitting in a group they

1928
01:18:20,160 --> 01:18:18,490
sort of hang around together and they're

1929
01:18:21,750 --> 01:18:20,170
all in this group and they scattered

1930
01:18:22,920 --> 01:18:21,760
like rats when they saw me coming with

1931
01:18:23,850 --> 01:18:22,930
the camera cuz none of them want to go

1932
01:18:25,380 --> 01:18:23,860
on camera

1933
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:25,390
and I managed to get a few of them and I

1934
01:18:28,380 --> 01:18:26,410
was actually gonna do it you know I

1935
01:18:29,610 --> 01:18:28,390
found another witness tonight and from

1936
01:18:30,930 --> 01:18:29,620
Los Angeles and I was just kind of

1937
01:18:32,820 --> 01:18:30,940
phoning him up and say I need to do a

1938
01:18:34,260 --> 01:18:32,830
video interview with you and and and

1939
01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:34,270
record all these stories because we get

1940
01:18:39,750 --> 01:18:37,330
11 people all telling a story where they

1941
01:18:41,880 --> 01:18:39,760
were within feet of an alien and they're

1942
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:41,890
all describing exactly the same thing

1943
01:18:45,870 --> 01:18:44,410
identical and and where the location was

1944
01:18:47,190 --> 01:18:45,880
and it was just he's one of the best

1945
01:18:49,860 --> 01:18:47,200
stories I've ever come across my life

1946
01:18:52,260 --> 01:18:49,870
this is on Mount Shasta this is on Mount

1947
01:18:54,870 --> 01:18:52,270
Shasta and and then then we'd there's

1948
01:18:56,580 --> 01:18:54,880
another group like there's our group on

1949
01:18:58,140 --> 01:18:56,590
the one side and then there's the other

1950
01:19:00,720 --> 01:18:58,150
side of the road there's one of the rama

1951
01:19:02,160 --> 01:19:00,730
people and i did they were talking all

1952
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:02,170
this like us it's like football teams

1953
01:19:05,460 --> 01:19:03,610
like there's our good guys over here and

1954
01:19:07,020 --> 01:19:05,470
the bad meditators are on that side I'm

1955
01:19:09,030 --> 01:19:07,030
going like what's this fighting stuff

1956
01:19:10,470 --> 01:19:09,040
about anyway I contacted this guy and

1957
01:19:12,420 --> 01:19:10,480
his name is Enrique

1958
01:19:13,830 --> 01:19:12,430
so I contact this guy after because we

1959
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:13,840
had this flashing thing and this orb

1960
01:19:18,150 --> 01:19:16,570
went across the sky and stuff and so I

1961
01:19:19,530 --> 01:19:18,160
said to him I said well you guys are

1962
01:19:22,050 --> 01:19:19,540
doing this meditation on the other side

1963
01:19:24,240 --> 01:19:22,060
do you guys see anything and he sends me

1964
01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:24,250
this 32 minute video and and we're like

1965
01:19:27,870 --> 01:19:25,690
we were sleeping on our side man they

1966
01:19:30,480 --> 01:19:27,880
had the lights in the bush they had the

1967
01:19:33,030 --> 01:19:30,490
aliens they had I was unbelievable and

1968
01:19:35,580 --> 01:19:33,040
then I then I'm talking to Michael Salah

1969
01:19:37,500 --> 01:19:35,590
about his 2013 experience I said ok I

1970
01:19:39,630 --> 01:19:37,510
had this experience in 2017 what happens

1971
01:19:41,880 --> 01:19:39,640
when your 2013 you got the message from

1972
01:19:43,380 --> 01:19:41,890
an Terrell yeah ok and what happened he

1973
01:19:46,650 --> 01:19:43,390
described same same sort of thing that I

1974
01:19:48,750 --> 01:19:46,660
saw and then then he said oh I was at

1975
01:19:50,190 --> 01:19:48,760
Mount Shasta that day - I said you were

1976
01:19:51,900 --> 01:19:50,200
at Mount Shasta that day because it was

1977
01:19:55,140 --> 01:19:51,910
the day before the Eclipse and he said I

1978
01:19:57,720 --> 01:19:55,150
was there with this this space guys all

1979
01:19:59,400 --> 01:19:57,730
these outer these secret space program

1980
01:20:01,470 --> 01:19:59,410
they had a big thing there and Salo was

1981
01:20:03,930 --> 01:20:01,480
there and he said oh I was I was going

1982
01:20:05,130 --> 01:20:03,940
through the forest with this guy and I

1983
01:20:06,540 --> 01:20:05,140
had this bizarre experience we were

1984
01:20:08,310 --> 01:20:06,550
walking there and we ran into this

1985
01:20:10,710 --> 01:20:08,320
curtain of light which is like an eggs

1986
01:20:12,240 --> 01:20:10,720
which describes as Indra and then

1987
01:20:13,440 --> 01:20:12,250
there's this curtain of light and you

1988
01:20:15,390 --> 01:20:13,450
said you could see the particles and it

1989
01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:15,400
was 100 about a hundred meters long and

1990
01:20:17,730 --> 01:20:16,570
they're going through this curtain of

1991
01:20:19,230 --> 01:20:17,740
light and I said well where were you you

1992
01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:19,240
said we're at Mount Shasta and I said

1993
01:20:21,420 --> 01:20:20,170
well where and he said we're on the

1994
01:20:22,650 --> 01:20:21,430
south side of the mountain we were on

1995
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:22,660
the east side of the mountains and then

1996
01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:24,010
I found out there's two more rama groups

1997
01:20:26,990 --> 01:20:25,210
around the mountain it was like just

1998
01:20:30,630 --> 01:20:27,000
totally bizarre like all these

1999
01:20:34,170 --> 01:20:30,640
experiences happening all over the place

2000
01:20:35,910 --> 01:20:34,180
and I thought well man I'm gonna drag

2001
01:20:37,440 --> 01:20:35,920
this so I'm back into the UFO rabbit

2002
01:20:37,979 --> 01:20:37,450
hole again and I figured I'm just going

2003
01:20:39,390 --> 01:20:37,989
to quickly put

2004
01:20:41,729 --> 01:20:39,400
they grab all these people's stories and

2005
01:20:45,239 --> 01:20:41,739
put him down and let people know that

2006
01:20:48,149 --> 01:20:45,249
this actually is bizarre bizarre bizarre

2007
01:20:50,669 --> 01:20:48,159
that I've never seen that many witnesses

2008
01:20:52,529 --> 01:20:50,679
that were that credible to me that all

2009
01:20:54,799 --> 01:20:52,539
told exactly the same story and it was

2010
01:20:57,810 --> 01:20:54,809
the story was standing and looking at a

2011
01:20:59,459 --> 01:20:57,820
one we had for aliens and these small

2012
01:21:00,959 --> 01:20:59,469
aliens around the trees and stuff and

2013
01:21:02,459 --> 01:21:00,969
there was nine witnesses that were

2014
01:21:04,649 --> 01:21:02,469
within feet of this thing it's not like

2015
01:21:06,989 --> 01:21:04,659
you know a couple blocks away they were

2016
01:21:09,359 --> 01:21:06,999
within a company or is it did anybody

2017
01:21:11,669 --> 01:21:09,369
take any pictures well all the videos

2018
01:21:16,859 --> 01:21:11,679
were all the the UFOs were photographed

2019
01:21:19,529 --> 01:21:16,869
like the especially the the one in 2014

2020
01:21:25,169 --> 01:21:19,539
they had a bunch of people they had six

2021
01:21:27,390 --> 01:21:25,179
people who had pre meted messages before

2022
01:21:29,399 --> 01:21:27,400
and the one guy actually drew it five

2023
01:21:32,040 --> 01:21:29,409
days before the event he actually draws

2024
01:21:33,419 --> 01:21:32,050
the Xandra and he draws seven people in

2025
01:21:34,919 --> 01:21:33,429
the xander and his paula harris the

2026
01:21:36,899 --> 01:21:34,929
second from the right and she was in

2027
01:21:39,299 --> 01:21:36,909
this thing second from the right so what

2028
01:21:40,830 --> 01:21:39,309
happened was the it was all filmed with

2029
01:21:42,899 --> 01:21:40,840
these two UFOs and they're flying in

2030
01:21:44,189 --> 01:21:42,909
parallel these two UFOs are flying and

2031
01:21:45,390 --> 01:21:44,199
because all these people had these

2032
01:21:47,189 --> 01:21:45,400
impressions that there was going to be a

2033
01:21:49,200 --> 01:21:47,199
Zender open not just a sighting in the

2034
01:21:50,939 --> 01:21:49,210
sky there was going to be a Xandra they

2035
01:21:52,709 --> 01:21:50,949
went into the forest three guys and I've

2036
01:21:54,689 --> 01:21:52,719
talked to other three guys you went in

2037
01:21:55,680 --> 01:21:54,699
the forest yeah why because they had

2038
01:21:57,029 --> 01:21:55,690
these predictions they're gonna be as

2039
01:21:59,009 --> 01:21:57,039
Endre we weren't looking to see if where

2040
01:22:00,479 --> 01:21:59,019
the sender was and they found the Xandra

2041
01:22:02,489 --> 01:22:00,489
then they come back to the group and

2042
01:22:04,259 --> 01:22:02,499
they take seven people to go into the

2043
01:22:05,970 --> 01:22:04,269
Xandra and they go back to the forest

2044
01:22:07,290 --> 01:22:05,980
with these seven people and all these

2045
01:22:09,029 --> 01:22:07,300
people are telling yeah I was picked up

2046
01:22:11,669 --> 01:22:09,039
I was sitting in the in there doing this

2047
01:22:14,149 --> 01:22:11,679
big meditation of 100 150 people so all

2048
01:22:17,669 --> 01:22:14,159
the UFO stuff was was filmed yes and and

2049
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:17,679
and any of that on youtuber oh yeah it's

2050
01:22:26,129 --> 01:22:22,570
all it's all on a my my YouTube my White

2051
01:22:27,720 --> 01:22:26,139
House UFO site okay well it will they

2052
01:22:30,060 --> 01:22:27,730
had a clipper to this interview before

2053
01:22:32,100 --> 01:22:30,070
you uh for our YouTube but you know and

2054
01:22:33,689 --> 01:22:32,110
with a link and people can see the whole

2055
01:22:35,609 --> 01:22:33,699
darn thing I mean what the heck you know

2056
01:22:38,370 --> 01:22:35,619
it yeah but all I've got all the clips

2057
01:22:41,100 --> 01:22:38,380
of the things but the all these Mexican

2058
01:22:42,750 --> 01:22:41,110
like Latin American people there's one

2059
01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:42,760
guy from Mexico who did a lot of filming

2060
01:22:47,069 --> 01:22:44,650
and then Enrique's people filmed his

2061
01:22:49,020 --> 01:22:47,079
stuff our cameras weren't working but

2062
01:22:51,120 --> 01:22:49,030
Enrique's were on that night and it was

2063
01:22:51,780 --> 01:22:51,130
just like it was just so many stories

2064
01:22:54,090 --> 01:22:51,790
all

2065
01:22:55,530 --> 01:22:54,100
the same thing and it's like there's no

2066
01:22:57,180 --> 01:22:55,540
way everybody's gonna make especially

2067
01:22:59,190 --> 01:22:57,190
when I when you see these people up

2068
01:23:00,810 --> 01:22:59,200
face-to-face that these people did not

2069
01:23:03,300 --> 01:23:00,820
want to be interviewed there was no way

2070
01:23:05,190 --> 01:23:03,310
in fact Paula it was because she knew

2071
01:23:06,780 --> 01:23:05,200
these people so well she said oh I want

2072
01:23:09,240 --> 01:23:06,790
you to talk to grant and then she talked

2073
01:23:10,770 --> 01:23:09,250
these people into it and some of them

2074
01:23:13,230 --> 01:23:10,780
said no English isn't good enough I

2075
01:23:15,750 --> 01:23:13,240
don't wanna I don't wanna talk but what

2076
01:23:19,050 --> 01:23:15,760
would it what is your YouTube White

2077
01:23:21,180 --> 01:23:19,060
House UFO oh yeah I've got some of the

2078
01:23:23,100 --> 01:23:21,190
videos of these just ordinary people

2079
01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:23,110
talking yeah and then the way infects

2080
01:23:28,980 --> 01:23:25,810
with one guy I said to him he said I

2081
01:23:30,240 --> 01:23:28,990
said well we already said no no I've

2082
01:23:31,860 --> 01:23:30,250
seen him before and I said why you've

2083
01:23:33,510 --> 01:23:31,870
seen the guy you seen before and these

2084
01:23:36,120 --> 01:23:33,520
like this contact he goes around the

2085
01:23:38,010 --> 01:23:36,130
world he goes does Spain he goes to

2086
01:23:39,990 --> 01:23:38,020
Siberia and stuff and some of these

2087
01:23:41,460 --> 01:23:40,000
people follow him around and he said I

2088
01:23:43,320 --> 01:23:41,470
said well huh how many of you how many

2089
01:23:45,930 --> 01:23:43,330
times you've seen him and he goes yeah I

2090
01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:45,940
don't know five or more I don't really

2091
01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:47,890
keep track like like this guy's telling

2092
01:23:52,440 --> 01:23:50,290
me he's seen this guy five times this at

2093
01:23:54,180 --> 01:23:52,450
this an tyrell alien that's like nine

2094
01:23:56,430 --> 01:23:54,190
feet tall and the weird thing was where

2095
01:23:58,800 --> 01:23:56,440
they all described puts his hand out to

2096
01:24:00,360 --> 01:23:58,810
stay back that that like the vibration

2097
01:24:03,480 --> 01:24:00,370
is different to stay back to-- don't

2098
01:24:04,890 --> 01:24:03,490
come any closer and that this this thing

2099
01:24:06,570 --> 01:24:04,900
that he had this thing on his chest that

2100
01:24:07,890 --> 01:24:06,580
was shooting these shooting these sparks

2101
01:24:09,240 --> 01:24:07,900
out and these people had never talked to

2102
01:24:10,710 --> 01:24:09,250
each other and they're all telling this

2103
01:24:12,270 --> 01:24:10,720
story about these these sparks coming

2104
01:24:14,250 --> 01:24:12,280
off this and then Paul would say you saw

2105
01:24:16,020 --> 01:24:14,260
the sparks - oh yeah they're sparks I

2106
01:24:18,120 --> 01:24:16,030
saw that tunes like that you these

2107
01:24:19,950 --> 01:24:18,130
people is just bizarre bizarre bizarre

2108
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:19,960
story that that you know I thought it

2109
01:24:23,190 --> 01:24:21,610
was out of UFOs and it's like and then

2110
01:24:26,190 --> 01:24:23,200
and the weird thing was it was the a

2111
01:24:28,440 --> 01:24:26,200
poof planet it was this story of how my

2112
01:24:29,910 --> 01:24:28,450
book Charlie Red Star got published was

2113
01:24:31,500 --> 01:24:29,920
this publisher never overdone published

2114
01:24:33,780 --> 01:24:31,510
it except for that girl was doing this

2115
01:24:35,100 --> 01:24:33,790
movie on a poo and suddenly now I'm in

2116
01:24:37,080 --> 01:24:35,110
the middle of this a poo thing with

2117
01:24:39,270 --> 01:24:37,090
these aliens form a poo with all these

2118
01:24:43,980 --> 01:24:39,280
contactees and I think it's pretty good

2119
01:24:47,250 --> 01:24:43,990
story so sure does so I mean you can't

2120
01:24:49,310 --> 01:24:47,260
get any nor evidential then than that to

2121
01:24:52,020 --> 01:24:49,320
have all those witnesses especially

2122
01:24:54,990 --> 01:24:52,030
especially as far as a contact

2123
01:24:57,600 --> 01:24:55,000
experience goes I mean usually you know

2124
01:25:00,510 --> 01:24:57,610
this one one person or maybe somebody

2125
01:25:03,930 --> 01:25:00,520
else might witness it from a distance

2126
01:25:05,729 --> 01:25:03,940
but not not what seven or eight or more

2127
01:25:09,689 --> 01:25:05,739
people that it's

2128
01:25:12,540 --> 01:25:09,699
time at different locations vary but

2129
01:25:14,640 --> 01:25:12,550
what okay so what now what is the

2130
01:25:17,040 --> 01:25:14,650
description of this being is it a being

2131
01:25:19,439 --> 01:25:17,050
of light or is it only looking well

2132
01:25:21,239 --> 01:25:19,449
well the 2014 it was a solid being he's

2133
01:25:25,529 --> 01:25:21,249
he's very tall some people described in

2134
01:25:28,439 --> 01:25:25,539
90 tall 10 feet tall has long sort of

2135
01:25:31,500 --> 01:25:28,449
almost white hair a very stern look on

2136
01:25:33,419 --> 01:25:31,510
his face but very muscular and wearing

2137
01:25:35,419 --> 01:25:33,429
the first year he was wearing everybody

2138
01:25:38,549 --> 01:25:35,429
described him wearing this this blue

2139
01:25:41,339 --> 01:25:38,559
sort of outfit with a hood on and then

2140
01:25:43,049 --> 01:25:41,349
in the 2015 thing he's described by

2141
01:25:45,540 --> 01:25:43,059
everybody so there's an 11 witnesses to

2142
01:25:48,209 --> 01:25:45,550
2014 and then there's nine witnesses to

2143
01:25:51,419 --> 01:25:48,219
2015 but the 2015 are all saying the

2144
01:25:52,950 --> 01:25:51,429
same thing he's a hologram in 2015

2145
01:25:55,350 --> 01:25:52,960
he's not a solid being he's the same

2146
01:25:58,020 --> 01:25:55,360
being but he's appearing like a like a

2147
01:26:01,169 --> 01:25:58,030
like a hologram but this tall being with

2148
01:26:03,149 --> 01:26:01,179
these smaller beings around him and then

2149
01:26:05,310 --> 01:26:03,159
three other beings tall beings with him

2150
01:26:07,859 --> 01:26:05,320
and then there's like I mean you can't

2151
01:26:09,299 --> 01:26:07,869
make this stuff up so there's a female

2152
01:26:12,810 --> 01:26:09,309
that's supposed to be running the ship

2153
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:12,820
and her name is a Vika so 2016 there's

2154
01:26:18,149 --> 01:26:15,010
nothing there's there's they don't show

2155
01:26:19,859 --> 01:26:18,159
up in 2016 so I'm leaving this scene

2156
01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:19,869
from fitting these people on them all

2157
01:26:22,470 --> 01:26:21,130
excited because I've got these people on

2158
01:26:25,140 --> 01:26:22,480
camera and I'm coming back and this

2159
01:26:26,520 --> 01:26:25,150
woman says oh yeah thanks for your

2160
01:26:28,200 --> 01:26:26,530
little talk I gave a little talk there

2161
01:26:29,459 --> 01:26:28,210
she says oh I got a weird story do you

2162
01:26:31,049 --> 01:26:29,469
want to hear my weird story and I said

2163
01:26:32,580 --> 01:26:31,059
oh yeah would you put it on camera she

2164
01:26:33,629 --> 01:26:32,590
said you'd put me on camera said yeah

2165
01:26:35,370 --> 01:26:33,639
you stand right there I'll turn the

2166
01:26:37,739 --> 01:26:35,380
camera on and she says oh I'm from

2167
01:26:39,419 --> 01:26:37,749
Mexico what she says and I got these

2168
01:26:40,799 --> 01:26:39,429
coordinates in my head and I decided

2169
01:26:42,509 --> 01:26:40,809
that I had to figure out what they were

2170
01:26:44,069 --> 01:26:42,519
and they were Mount Shasta and when I

2171
01:26:46,919 --> 01:26:44,079
figured it out I knew I had to come to

2172
01:26:49,589 --> 01:26:46,929
Mount Shasta in 2016 and she runs into

2173
01:26:52,140 --> 01:26:49,599
the Savita this is this female alien in

2174
01:26:53,339 --> 01:26:52,150
the crystal shop in Shasta city down at

2175
01:26:54,419 --> 01:26:53,349
the bottom of the mountain and she's

2176
01:26:57,149 --> 01:26:54,429
telling me the star and I'm going like

2177
01:26:58,620 --> 01:26:57,159
yeah and this thing's this when they

2178
01:27:02,129 --> 01:26:58,630
wouldn't be the store wouldn't be Seoul

2179
01:27:03,750 --> 01:27:02,139
connections I'm not sure which it was I

2180
01:27:05,700 --> 01:27:03,760
think was the big one I've got the one

2181
01:27:07,680 --> 01:27:05,710
we were in I first I was with was in

2182
01:27:09,689 --> 01:27:07,690
there but but and she said she was

2183
01:27:11,459 --> 01:27:09,699
walking around this this store and

2184
01:27:13,470 --> 01:27:11,469
nobody was paying attention to her and

2185
01:27:14,939 --> 01:27:13,480
she was trying to sort of look at people

2186
01:27:16,350 --> 01:27:14,949
like why can't you see this because this

2187
01:27:19,589 --> 01:27:16,360
is a very tall being that's walking

2188
01:27:20,250 --> 01:27:19,599
around and this is a Vika so you get

2189
01:27:22,020 --> 01:27:20,260
this

2190
01:27:23,700 --> 01:27:22,030
even in the years when nothing happens

2191
01:27:26,340 --> 01:27:23,710
and then you have this PhD psychologist

2192
01:27:28,650 --> 01:27:26,350
comes to me and she says you know that

2193
01:27:31,410 --> 01:27:28,660
she's getting all these messages from an

2194
01:27:33,600 --> 01:27:31,420
Terrell and that she that she actually

2195
01:27:36,390 --> 01:27:33,610
predicted the 9:33 before it happened

2196
01:27:37,950 --> 01:27:36,400
and she said I said well the people know

2197
01:27:39,300 --> 01:27:37,960
you're doing it no I'm not outed yet and

2198
01:27:41,100 --> 01:27:39,310
she's like she works with autistic

2199
01:27:42,900 --> 01:27:41,110
children she's a PhD psychologist and

2200
01:27:44,850 --> 01:27:42,910
she's got all these bizarre stories and

2201
01:27:47,280 --> 01:27:44,860
it's like and you wonder like there's

2202
01:27:49,320 --> 01:27:47,290
140 people in our group 150 people in

2203
01:27:50,610 --> 01:27:49,330
the group on our side there was 45 on

2204
01:27:52,110 --> 01:27:50,620
the other side I'm just thinking like

2205
01:27:54,120 --> 01:27:52,120
how many stories were there of people

2206
01:27:55,560 --> 01:27:54,130
that told stories that nobody's even

2207
01:27:57,390 --> 01:27:55,570
heard before it was just like everybody

2208
01:27:58,680 --> 01:27:57,400
had these buzz like not just like I saw

2209
01:28:00,630 --> 01:27:58,690
a light in this guy it was like an alien

2210
01:28:03,450 --> 01:28:00,640
this big difference when you I mean if

2211
01:28:05,880 --> 01:28:03,460
you know with 150 people saw the UFO fly

2212
01:28:07,800 --> 01:28:05,890
by on air every one of these years 150

2213
01:28:09,570 --> 01:28:07,810
people see it and it's all video tapes

2214
01:28:12,150 --> 01:28:09,580
and stuff like that but it was when the

2215
01:28:13,740 --> 01:28:12,160
thing got into the bush in two years

2216
01:28:16,020 --> 01:28:13,750
when you have eleven witnesses the one

2217
01:28:17,820 --> 01:28:16,030
year and nine witnesses the other year

2218
01:28:19,080 --> 01:28:17,830
and they're all within feet of this

2219
01:28:23,400 --> 01:28:19,090
thing and they're all describing the

2220
01:28:25,050 --> 01:28:23,410
same thing it's just wild story well now

2221
01:28:27,750 --> 01:28:25,060
why do you think there was the

2222
01:28:29,610 --> 01:28:27,760
reluctance to to talk to you about this

2223
01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:29,620
besides the you know the language

2224
01:28:33,720 --> 01:28:31,690
difference I mean it was the language

2225
01:28:36,960 --> 01:28:33,730
but they saw with a camera I guess they

2226
01:28:43,770 --> 01:28:36,970
didn't want to be on camera and so like

2227
01:28:46,050 --> 01:28:43,780
like the actual contact II Ricardo

2228
01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:46,060
Gonzalez he and his wife were there and

2229
01:28:49,979 --> 01:28:48,010
his wife was there for both of them and

2230
01:28:51,390 --> 01:28:49,989
she was very close she was inside the

2231
01:28:53,190 --> 01:28:51,400
Xandra he was outside the Xandra the

2232
01:28:55,140 --> 01:28:53,200
first time took the people to the

2233
01:28:56,820 --> 01:28:55,150
sounder but he stayed outside but he

2234
01:28:58,470 --> 01:28:56,830
said no my English isn't very good and I

2235
01:29:00,630 --> 01:28:58,480
let him go because I knew that he talked

2236
01:29:03,180 --> 01:29:00,640
about it in Spanish so I'm just gonna

2237
01:29:06,900 --> 01:29:03,190
take his Spanish stuff and transcribe

2238
01:29:09,900 --> 01:29:06,910
and he's written a book on events up to

2239
01:29:11,610 --> 01:29:09,910
2014 about his growing up and the times

2240
01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:11,620
he's run into this alien stuff he

2241
01:29:16,530 --> 01:29:13,570
doesn't do this 2015 event but he sort

2242
01:29:17,940 --> 01:29:16,540
of spells out this fact that that this

2243
01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:17,950
went on for about an hour and a half

2244
01:29:20,729 --> 01:29:19,570
were they they had these predictions

2245
01:29:22,440 --> 01:29:20,739
that people said there was going to be a

2246
01:29:23,640 --> 01:29:22,450
Xandra then they go into the forest

2247
01:29:24,990 --> 01:29:23,650
looking for the Xandra they find a

2248
01:29:26,700 --> 01:29:25,000
Xandra then they come back and they got

2249
01:29:29,010 --> 01:29:26,710
to the people so this this thing took

2250
01:29:31,050 --> 01:29:29,020
place over at least an hour from the

2251
01:29:34,049 --> 01:29:31,060
time the UFO sighting until the the

2252
01:29:35,819 --> 01:29:34,059
people saw the being said so

2253
01:29:37,379 --> 01:29:35,829
they didn't go on and then some of these

2254
01:29:40,140 --> 01:29:37,389
people I didn't know they were there

2255
01:29:41,729 --> 01:29:40,150
because they were in this group and then

2256
01:29:43,770 --> 01:29:41,739
people were telling me oh this guy like

2257
01:29:45,390 --> 01:29:43,780
one woman actually bought my Charlie

2258
01:29:47,189 --> 01:29:45,400
read star book and I had to talk with

2259
01:29:48,540 --> 01:29:47,199
her and then I just found out like three

2260
01:29:50,100 --> 01:29:48,550
or four days ago she was one of the

2261
01:29:51,419 --> 01:29:50,110
people in the Zandra I had this long

2262
01:29:52,890 --> 01:29:51,429
conversation I didn't realize she was

2263
01:29:54,359 --> 01:29:52,900
one of the witnesses otherwise I would

2264
01:29:56,399 --> 01:29:54,369
have got her on but I'm gonna try to

2265
01:29:59,450 --> 01:29:56,409
line up these witnesses with these these

2266
01:30:01,439 --> 01:29:59,460
people and the stories that I've heard

2267
01:30:02,520 --> 01:30:01,449
unbelievable I mean I'm only telling you

2268
01:30:05,790 --> 01:30:02,530
some of the stories I've heard just

2269
01:30:07,229 --> 01:30:05,800
bizarre by these people and there was

2270
01:30:09,479 --> 01:30:07,239
maybe five of us too spoke English

2271
01:30:11,370 --> 01:30:09,489
everybody else was Spanish they they all

2272
01:30:14,010 --> 01:30:11,380
come from around the world from you know

2273
01:30:16,140 --> 01:30:14,020
South America and Latin America and all

2274
01:30:17,490 --> 01:30:16,150
across America to this to this event

2275
01:30:21,180 --> 01:30:17,500
where they sit there and meditate for

2276
01:30:24,120 --> 01:30:21,190
for world peace and they have this event

2277
01:30:25,680 --> 01:30:24,130
every year that that seems to seems to

2278
01:30:27,209 --> 01:30:25,690
have some credibility to me especially

2279
01:30:29,010 --> 01:30:27,219
this two fourteen and two fifty and I

2280
01:30:31,709 --> 01:30:29,020
said everybody has to know these stories

2281
01:30:33,060 --> 01:30:31,719
of this event in where these people are

2282
01:30:34,709 --> 01:30:33,070
in this Xandra I think because that's

2283
01:30:35,939 --> 01:30:34,719
what the CIA is not pushing they're

2284
01:30:37,200 --> 01:30:35,949
pushing this portal story there's

2285
01:30:38,939 --> 01:30:37,210
supposed to be these this documentary

2286
01:30:41,010 --> 01:30:38,949
coming out it's kind of two episodes on

2287
01:30:42,839 --> 01:30:41,020
portals and they're gonna drop the fact

2288
01:30:44,220 --> 01:30:42,849
that this is there's a portal and that

2289
01:30:46,049 --> 01:30:44,230
these things are moving in out of the

2290
01:30:48,629 --> 01:30:46,059
portal which gets into the consciousness

2291
01:30:50,040 --> 01:30:48,639
aspect of UFOs so I mean the CIA is

2292
01:30:52,109 --> 01:30:50,050
pushing it and I was already interested

2293
01:30:55,260 --> 01:30:52,119
in it and then suddenly I'm dragged into

2294
01:30:57,540 --> 01:30:55,270
it except they call them xendrius well

2295
01:30:59,459 --> 01:30:57,550
and that's oh go ahead to him I'm sorry

2296
01:31:02,879 --> 01:30:59,469
okay you know when when will that I mean

2297
01:31:05,580 --> 01:31:02,889
is that gonna be on a cable TV or what

2298
01:31:07,290 --> 01:31:05,590
is that the port to portals you say

2299
01:31:10,109 --> 01:31:07,300
there's a yeah it's going to be the

2300
01:31:11,669 --> 01:31:10,119
producer I forgotten his name but the

2301
01:31:14,250 --> 01:31:11,679
producer I've got the producers name

2302
01:31:16,430 --> 01:31:14,260
Kevin Albers the guy who wrote it and it

2303
01:31:18,330 --> 01:31:16,440
was Ron Pandolfi who supposedly

2304
01:31:20,279 --> 01:31:18,340
requested that this be done it's gonna

2305
01:31:22,140 --> 01:31:20,289
be on the Avery for the episodes around

2306
01:31:24,569 --> 01:31:22,150
the Avery and they'd actually called me

2307
01:31:26,850 --> 01:31:24,579
and I got a phone call and it was

2308
01:31:28,049 --> 01:31:26,860
offered in an executive producer thing

2309
01:31:29,069 --> 01:31:28,059
to be involved in this and you could

2310
01:31:30,600 --> 01:31:29,079
know what's going on and be on the phone

2311
01:31:31,830 --> 01:31:30,610
calls and stuff and I said no I don't

2312
01:31:33,569 --> 01:31:31,840
wanna be involved cuz I know this whole

2313
01:31:34,919 --> 01:31:33,579
deal that's what managing Magic's all

2314
01:31:36,720 --> 01:31:34,929
about you have the you know you have the

2315
01:31:38,939 --> 01:31:36,730
magician's who hand out the stuff and

2316
01:31:40,020 --> 01:31:38,949
then you have the people who are in the

2317
01:31:41,580 --> 01:31:40,030
middle of this thing and I said you know

2318
01:31:43,649 --> 01:31:41,590
I you know like I'd rather be a chess

2319
01:31:45,029 --> 01:31:43,659
player than a chess piece and he told

2320
01:31:46,620 --> 01:31:45,039
you know what I'm gonna say and what I'm

2321
01:31:47,759 --> 01:31:46,630
gonna do and stuff and they said well if

2322
01:31:47,970 --> 01:31:47,769
you're on the outside you you get 10 to

2323
01:31:49,410 --> 01:31:47,980
2

2324
01:31:51,810 --> 01:31:49,420
percent I said okay I'll take the ten to

2325
01:31:53,550 --> 01:31:51,820
15% so I'm not in the inside of this

2326
01:31:55,410 --> 01:31:53,560
thing but I've talked to the producers

2327
01:31:57,000 --> 01:31:55,420
and that was when I first heard the

2328
01:31:58,350 --> 01:31:57,010
portal I didn't believe the portal romp

2329
01:32:00,330 --> 01:31:58,360
and all these people were putting it out

2330
01:32:02,130 --> 01:32:00,340
and I go that come on this is nonsense I

2331
01:32:03,780 --> 01:32:02,140
mean without stupid to think we are

2332
01:32:05,190 --> 01:32:03,790
and then I'm talking to this at Kevin

2333
01:32:07,200 --> 01:32:05,200
Elbert guy that wrote the script and

2334
01:32:08,340 --> 01:32:07,210
stuff and he said oh no the portal stuff

2335
01:32:10,110 --> 01:32:08,350
is real and they talked about Joe

2336
01:32:12,600 --> 01:32:10,120
firmage Joe firmage apparently is

2337
01:32:14,430 --> 01:32:12,610
back-engineered report and and and and

2338
01:32:16,680 --> 01:32:14,440
he may be part of this this this

2339
01:32:18,330 --> 01:32:16,690
documentary that he's there and I've

2340
01:32:20,340 --> 01:32:18,340
heard Bigelow's name and I there's

2341
01:32:22,650 --> 01:32:20,350
another guy a lot of people with a lot

2342
01:32:24,270 --> 01:32:22,660
of bucks seem to be involved in this

2343
01:32:26,010 --> 01:32:24,280
thing but but firmage was the big name

2344
01:32:27,600 --> 01:32:26,020
because I knew firmage from the 1990s

2345
01:32:29,610 --> 01:32:27,610
that thing that he was directly into

2346
01:32:32,030 --> 01:32:29,620
this and apparently from what I have

2347
01:32:36,840 --> 01:32:32,040
heard he's got some sort of engineered

2348
01:32:37,410 --> 01:32:36,850
technology that involves portals well

2349
01:32:39,180 --> 01:32:37,420
there you go

2350
01:32:45,090 --> 01:32:39,190
now we're getting we're getting towards

2351
01:32:47,940 --> 01:32:45,100
the end of our last segment here and I

2352
01:32:51,060 --> 01:32:47,950
do uh grant want you to be able to tell

2353
01:32:53,220 --> 01:32:51,070
everybody of what you're working on you

2354
01:32:57,210 --> 01:32:53,230
where they can get your books where they

2355
01:32:58,890 --> 01:32:57,220
can find you on the internet and any

2356
01:33:02,760 --> 01:32:58,900
lectures that you might have coming out

2357
01:33:06,150 --> 01:33:02,770
so give us the skinny on the mini well

2358
01:33:08,190 --> 01:33:06,160
I'm doing Laughlin Nevada in the middle

2359
01:33:10,680 --> 01:33:08,200
of November that's Paula Harris's

2360
01:33:11,640 --> 01:33:10,690
conference and I'm going to be dealing

2361
01:33:13,350 --> 01:33:11,650
with this case I'm going to show the

2362
01:33:18,240 --> 01:33:13,360
videos of the the witnesses that I've

2363
01:33:20,670 --> 01:33:18,250
filmed and so I'm dude that's my my

2364
01:33:22,650 --> 01:33:20,680
lecture my White House UFO YouTube

2365
01:33:24,270 --> 01:33:22,660
channel I'm starting to put I realized

2366
01:33:26,070 --> 01:33:24,280
that books aren't the way to go and

2367
01:33:28,410 --> 01:33:26,080
lectures are really not the way to go

2368
01:33:30,479 --> 01:33:28,420
most people in America have a 10-minute

2369
01:33:32,010 --> 01:33:30,489
attention span I'm putting a line I

2370
01:33:33,930 --> 01:33:32,020
thought it was I thought it was less

2371
01:33:35,070 --> 01:33:33,940
than that oh it could be last yeah so

2372
01:33:38,490 --> 01:33:35,080
that's what I'm doing I'm putting a lot

2373
01:33:40,350 --> 01:33:38,500
of stuff on my White House UFO YouTube

2374
01:33:41,880 --> 01:33:40,360
channel like ten minute things I'll take

2375
01:33:43,830 --> 01:33:41,890
one question and answer what I should

2376
01:33:46,430 --> 01:33:43,840
deal with one subject and do it that way

2377
01:33:49,140 --> 01:33:46,440
and see if we can get some people to

2378
01:33:52,050 --> 01:33:49,150
follow other than doing the long thing

2379
01:33:53,400 --> 01:33:52,060
and then of course the the book the

2380
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books could all be obtained

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I meant amazon.com I've done the six

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book so if you look me up at amazon.com

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there you can see all the various books

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I've done and the music book is come

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next that was the other message I got

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from an alien that was about four years

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ago where I got the message

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that said we're told by the the the

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where they calm the Guardians a message

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for grant camera and the messages in the

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music and I said well I'm not into music

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I've never played music I'm not into it

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and then they dragged me into it with

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being involved with Neil Young who grew

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up where I where I live and so I've got

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a music book coming out before next

2397
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spring and that books been ready for a

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year and a half but you have a tight you

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have a title for yeah it's called tuned

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in the paranormal world of music that's

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it that's a must read for me man

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01:34:43,550 --> 01:34:42,119
okay well there you go yeah yeah well

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you were involved in that stuff you yeah

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01:34:49,340 --> 01:34:47,040
yeah absolutely me and Jim delat oh so

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yeah yeah and dokdo so could write a

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01:34:53,810 --> 01:34:50,880
book he'd be just on the Moody Blues the

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01:34:55,160 --> 01:34:53,820
movie blues yeah he's got I don't we had

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it we had about we had him on about a

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month ago what you did yes yeah chorus

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you know oh listen I I have I have said

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on in his backyard where he had his

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01:35:11,930 --> 01:35:09,000
office he had the big UFO that was left

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01:35:15,979 --> 01:35:11,940
from The Electric Light Orchestra you

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01:35:18,320 --> 01:35:15,989
know yeah he's got I haven't done this

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01:35:20,419 --> 01:35:18,330
stuff for 50 years not to know the right

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01:35:24,109 --> 01:35:20,429
people and asked the right and asked the

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01:35:26,990 --> 01:35:24,119
right question

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you you are the the best you are e t--'s

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representative right thank you sir I

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appreciate it

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hey and we will help you back on in the

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coming months especially when that music

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01:35:43,310 --> 01:35:40,139
book comes out and Tim Schwartz great

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01:35:45,080 --> 01:35:43,320
program right as usual and thank you

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01:35:46,790 --> 01:35:45,090
there Peter Davenport for the first

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segment we'll have to have Peter on too

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01:35:53,870 --> 01:35:49,020
because there's much more going on at

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the Center for UFO good night everybody

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01:35:59,180 --> 01:35:55,920
night thank you Peter Thank You Tina

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01:36:05,490 --> 01:35:59,190
Thank You Carol and

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01:36:11,700 --> 01:36:07,710
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